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[Axlejames]

For now could I maybe stop at count to 100 and then back down I will try and see if I can count things great idea fish I appreciate all of this and what you do

[fishinghat]

Something else that dawned on me when I'm stressed anxiety goes up when anxiety goes brain thinks were in trouble pours adrenaline on worn out nerves which causes me to be hyper focused hyper focused makes me have extreme focus on reality which blocks everything else out mind wonders why brain is like this looks for answers to reality which have no real answer which stresses me out and the vicious cycle continues the good news again this is a behavior issue tied in with withdrawl meaning everything is to the extreme so now I ask any ideas of fixes

You are mostly right Axle and we have discussed this begore. It is called an chronic adrenergic state. You must get the adrenaline under control and that can include prescription meds like clonidine, snri and others as well as relaxation techniques (breathing exercises, progressive relaxation, etc), diet, acupuncture, supplements and many more. All discussed in Summary of Cymbalta withdrawal.

[invalidusername]

I agree with all that has been said here by both Gail and 'Hat.

 

Remember that Celexa DID once work for me and now is not. Cannot say the same it true, but this is what happens to AD's sometimes. It is called the "poop-out" effect.

 

Combating obsessive thoughts are different to combating unwanted thoughts. It is a difference process to that outlined by the book I sent you. Although those techniques will help all the same. 

[fishinghat]

The other thing tho that just hit me Is this OCD type problem recently came up one me the last 2 or 3 weeks would that mean like you said before it's the chemical imbalance in my brain right now because of the withdrawl

Absolutely

[invalidusername]

And in hindsight, I have to bow to Gail's suggestion about the links I posted. 

 

Here I am feeding your line of thinking that we are desperately trying to prevent. They will still be there in days/weeks from now, so perhaps give them a wide berth as I worry that information overload will not be a good course of direction for you at the moment.

[fishinghat]

For now could I maybe stop at count to 100 and then back down I will try and see if I can count things great idea fish I appreciate all of this and what you do

That is not a bad idea but counting something you have to focus on with your eyes works better.

[Axlejames]

Thank you all and iun I appreciated those in any case I feel like we all keep coming back to the same conclusions about what I need to do then I go on with everything then I end up back here again asking the same questions with that being said I appreciate your patience with me and helping me I'm the kind if person where I get my marching orders and can keep on going but then I just start living and forget the things I need to do then end up in situations again it's a habit of mine I honestly dont want to get another med in my body with the 30mg of cymbalta and 10mg of adderall could adding st John's wart cause the ss syndrom how can I try this without harming myself ?

[gail]

I do think that using St John's Wort while on an antidepressant is a no no!

[Axlejames]

Ok

[fishinghat]

Gail is spot on.

[Noush]

Axle - you definitely shouldn't take St John worth with an SSRI or SNRI.

[invalidusername]

Yes - for the most part St John's is not standardised, unless you spend the extra to get it correct. If not, the dose can fluctuate by a large amount. When I bought passion flower extract from a reputable online retailer, the content was 250~750mg per capsule. That in some of these things is too much variance to be playing with.

 

Oh, and same goes for 5HTP - not that you have mentioned it, but just a preemptive strike!

[Axlejames]

Well then cbt and 30mg duloxetine will have to be enough at church today I heard/felt what i can only decipher as the holy spirit speak to me saying if you will stop seeking i will give you the knowledge you seek and i heard/felt Jesus say to walk with him idk if this is real but I guess that is where faith comes in to discern Gods voice among the noise

[gail]

Sounds real to me!

[Axlejames]

I'm back to overthinking existence down to the minute again I'm not going to search for answers what I'm asking fish you with a sound mind can you find me help with this its tearing my mind apart please I refuse to look up anything trying to minimize my stress

[invalidusername]

Axle - can I ask to describe the feeling you get when you are faced with these thoughts of not being able to search? Do you think by searching that you will have relief from it even if you can't find the answers? Or will you still not find relief unless you find the answers? Will you even recognise the answers when they there?

[Axlejames]

So like today I'm sitting in a movie theatre with my kids when all of a sudden I'm thinking of life and why I'm here why we do this or that and then its spirals to all the what ifs it's like being here but not here as if I'm watching my life play itself out and I'm filled with dread and sadness I get to a point where I feel like I'm being suffocated I just start to panic somewhat I start to question what's real and not real so on and on I am trying to not to search anything heavy but usually I'll go on and try to find out if I'm the only one like this and how can I plug back into the matrix if that makes sense can you help me please

[invalidusername]

OK - now I'm going to sound like a therapist, but trust me on this one. It is my time to ask the questions

 

You need to get to the root of why you are addressing these questions. The panic is a secondary reaction to the initial question. Something is scaring you about the initial act of questioning. The asking is trying to release you of your anxiety and feelings of dread.

 

You need to ask what is your fear.

 

You are thinking about why you are here, and what life is here for. But what is it that you are scared of? Are you worried that we will die and there will be nothing after this? Are you worried that you are in some way wasting your life? Do you feel that there is something that you need to have accomplished?

 

Once you have answered the questions like there... THAT CAN BE ANSWERED... you will stop questioning life at such a level as you are currently.

[Axlejames]

Had a realization again I was sitting here and I started to think why do I feel like there is no purpose and all these thoughts and something occured to me I am a person who trys to find meaning in everything when I started to go through this I knew and believed I was going to be in suffering for a season to me it was Gods way of telling me something in me needed to be changed I believed that now I feel like everything is reduced to the chemicals in my brain which is true and withdrawl and because my brain is wonky not feeling my spiritual connection. I've always had I feel as if I'm drifting all alone and not sure what God is trying g to show me does that make sense like fish said before he knew God could take all ok f it away in an instant that's how I feel and I'm searching for reasons why he hasn't

[fishinghat]

Have you tried refocusing your mind Axle? Counting, planting a garden in your mind), taking your car apart (in your mind)etc.

[gail]

Don't go looking into God's motive. All will be revealed when you are no longer living this life.
cHEMICAL IMBALANCE. Don't forget this.

[Axlejames]

I actually have fish at church today i started counting the letters on the screen in my bathroom I started counting rocks if I cant find something to count I count to 100 I tried in the movie theatre didn't help I did go looking about this and its something people go through when there security has been stripped of them like a divorce or death of a loved one what I'm guessing here is when you tack those 2 crisis on top of the withdrawl of course I will be filled with anxiety and angst and despair and as I've said because of the imbalance in my brain I cant seem to connect while the internet was helpful in n this it didn't give a real concrete way around this did any of you have this thinking happen to them

[Axlejames]

Interesting too that same article that was talking about this type of anxiety can also be attributed to the same neuron firing in the brain over and over again eg a chemical imbalance issue

[Axlejames]

Alright so I think I and we are looking g at this backwards possibly I'm depressed and the depressions causes these questions to pop in my head not that these questions pop in my head then I get depressed which once again means cure the depression or at least make it better

[Axlejames]

The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.”

[gail]

AxleJames,

What would that mean, curing depression? Do you mean cross taper with another antidepressant?

[Axlejames]

I'm not sure Gail I'm wondering g if I should ride this out to the 6 month mark and see if the depression. And anxiety get better then if they dont see about switching I dont know what to do all i do know is that i believe the depression is causing these questions of life and so on not the other way around

[fishinghat]

Alright so I think I and we are looking g at this backwards possibly I'm depressed and the depressions causes these questions to pop in my head not that these questions pop in my head then I get depressed which once again means cure the depression or at least make it better

Not

[Axlejames]

Fish what do you mean bud help me make sense please

[gail]

AJ,

Example, you arrive at the doctor, with in plan to change your antidepressant. You talk to them as you do with us. All your symptoms including suicidal ideation, the unstoppable thoughts, no pleasure since stopping Celexa(thank to you idiots) , panics, anxiety, plus other symptoms.

Now, do you think they will take you seriously? I really believe they will say yes to a cross taper. Make sure you have a lot of Cymbalta in reserve, don't bring them to the doctor. That will be for tapering your shitalta.

So again, tough it out, or make an appointment with the doctor. Just make sure that it's an SSRI and not an SNRI. Later!