2784 replies to this topic

[Axlejames]

I find that I'm thinking about life more than living it my brain wants to explain everything away is this withdrawl or my messed up mind

[gail]

Axle,

It's good that you're thinking about life. Real good.

As for living it, well, circumstances prevents you from living life as you would like, withdrawal, meds, etc. So, real normal. Your brain is on over drive for the moment.

I wish that you would reconsider meds for ADHD, this would help me greatly. As they say, help yourself and God will help you. Love, Gail

[Axlejames]

I actually am trying to get on something non stimulant for ADHD when I say think about life I mean like bad thoughts like why were here where were going and everything down to the last detail over thinking life to the point I'm not living is that from withdrawls

[invalidusername]

WOW! Just caught up with your news mate. I am so happy for you.

 

Just make sure to take things steady, don't overthink things, and if in doubt, stay with the thought in your head (or share it here) before running with it. Don't think of this as make or break. She is considering sorting things out. That is a POSITIVE. 

 

Keep us all updated!

[Axlejames]

I will I'm a little concerned I have not ever really been a headache person but for the last couple months I get these pains that feel like a headache in my temple area it's not constant it comes and goes should I be concerned like I said I dont normally get headaches if it is tension or stress is there a way to find out I'm getting concerned I felt kind of like I had a palpitations today and the headache got slightly worse I haven't had palpitations in over a month

[Axlejames]

Is it possible I'm under stress or extra anxious and its become such a norm that I doubt know it but my body aches and head aches because of it

[invalidusername]

Short of a MRI scan, there isn't a great deal to do. It really sounds like you have health anxiety - just like I have at the moment. I had a near fatal car accident back in 2005, and ever since that, some symptoms have really freaked me out. I have had counselling which has helped, but it is still there in the background. 

[invalidusername]

Absolutely.

 

I have horrible stress-induced anxiety, and have had for some days now. Most days I have pains in my upper chest. Sometimes sharp, other times dulls. I have headaches come and go too. Google for "tension headaches" and it will explain further. There are totally normal.

[invalidusername]

Bloody great, just took a deep breath, and now got pain under left ribs!!

[Axlejames]

I'm sorry iun should I get an MRI

[Axlejames]

I get those feelings too that pain there are you ok

[Axlejames]

Could having a cold make your heart race or feel like it is racing

[invalidusername]

I'm OK mate - I really try to push it to the back of my mind. So many things can be attributed to stress. Last year I had acid-reflux, lumps in throat, swallowing problems, tinnitus, hives - all during August. All cleared up within a few weeks.

 

I really don't think an MRI is called for. Your headaches are far more likely to be stress/muscle tension related - but could be a deficiancy in something, a food intolerance... even might need your eyes checked.. who knows. The likelihood of it being something sinister is so low. My sister worked with all this type of stuff, and she told me that along with headaches you would have vision problems and cognitive issues. Headaches by themselves are more often than not, all in your head - pardon the pun!

[Axlejames]

Thank you this really helps a lot

[gail]

Hi AxleJames,

Sorry, I misread your post. But I'm sure glad that you will try something for ADHD.

Our mate is right about headaches, tension headaches. And man, there's a lot tension in yourself during these times. It passes. Talk to you tomorrow, my bed is calling me!

[Axlejames]

Thank you Gail I hope you sleep great my friend and iun thank you for the advice this gas been a rough couple of days I'm still struggling with this uneasy feeling

[invalidusername]

Always here mate - even during the sh*t times I am also going through. 

 

I am currently looking over the bumpf here and other online resources to find non-medicinal means of coming off my AD's altogether. This withdrawal has been something that no-one should ever go through. Adaptogens, herbs and so forth are rising up! 

 

Medicines have still got their place without a doubt, but so many of the mental health drugs have got so little efficacy alongside trials with herbal alternatives, that it makes a lot more sense to go this route.

 

I will report my findings as I go - especially if I find anything that I think may help you.

 

One that I have used with some good effects was Aswaghanda, but needs to be the KSM-66 variety as it is pure. Initially it acts like a mild sedative/relaxant. You just feel "good" on it. But unfortunately, I found that I got used to the dose quite quickly and needed to up it to gain the same benefit, and starts to get expensive. I started on 500mg, and got to 1500mg. But if you leave it for a month or so, the levels drop right down as I took 1500mg after a few weeks and woooohhhh!  

[Axlejames]

Is it safe to take with my meds I'd like to try it that way yeah I'm on a low dose of cymbalta but I could make up the rest with this

[Axlejames]

Hoping fish would weigh in on all my crazy questions has anyone heard from him is he ok I have a cold and feel so worn down more than usual it's like these withdrawls makes everything worse yesterday was a bit great day I'm back to being depressed again I dont know how to get out of this

[fishinghat]

I am here, just very busy lately.
 
Very little research has been done on drug compatibility. her is what I have on that product.

Ashwagandha
(Withania somnifera )

\
https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/25405876
All five studies concluded that WS intervention resulted in greater score improvements (significantly in most cases) than placebo in outcomes on anxiety or stress scales.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/26068424
Our results provide evidence indicating that key constituents in WS may have an important role in the development of pharmacological treatments for neurological disorders associated with GABAergic signaling dysfunction such as general anxiety disorders, sleep disturbances, muscle spasms, and seizures.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/19718255
300 mg twice a day.
Final BAI scores (anxiety test) decreased by 56.5% in the Ashwagandha group. Significant differences between groups were also observed in mental health, concentration, fatigue, social functioning, vitality, and overall quality of life with the Ashwagandha group exhibiting greater clinical benefit. No serious adverse reactions were observed in either group.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24497737
250 mg 2x/day

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24330893
500 mg/day for bipolar, effective.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23439798
Each capsule contained 300 mg of high-concentration full-spectrum extract from the root of the Ashwagandha plant. Each person took 2 capsules a day. The treatment group that was given the high-concentration full-spectrum Ashwagandha root extract exhibited a significant reduction in scores on all the stress-assessment scales on Day 60, relative to the placebo group. The serum cortisol levels were substantially reduced in the Ashwagandha group, relative to the placebo group. No serious adverse events were reported.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22546655
W. somnifera extract is effective in treating obsessive compulsive disorder

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/18697607
The results suggest the protective effect of WS in the management of ethanol (alcohol)withdrawal reactions.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/17585686
Preliminary results suggest that Withania root extract can be used in the management sleep loss and associated oxidative stress.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19363747
Effective for anxiety

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/11194174
WSG also exhibited an antidepressant effect, comparable with that induced by imipramine in the 'behavioural despair' and 'learned helplessness' tests. The investigations support the use of WS as a mood stabilizer in clinical conditions of anxiety and depression

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3252722/
It has a Cognition Promoting Effect and was useful in children with memory deficit and in old age people loss of memory. It was also found useful in neurodegenerative diseases such as Parkinson's, Huntington's and Alzeimer's diseases. It has GABA mimetic effect and was shown to promote formation of dendrites. It has anxiolytic effect and improves energy levels and mitochondrial health. It is an anti-inflammatory and anti-arthritic agent and was found useful in clinical cases of Rheumatoid and Osteoarthritis.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3487234/
1,250 mg/day × 10 days
All volunteers tolerated WS without any adverse event.
Safety and side effects

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2958355/
This product is comparative to lorazepam in its ability to control anxiety. That is impressive.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC2958355/
250 mg twice a day.
At 6 weeks, significantly more patients met a priori response criteria in the drug group (88.2%) as compared with the placebo group (50%). The drug was well-tolerated and did not occasion more adverse effects than did placebo. It is concluded that this ethanolic extract of Withania somnifera has useful anxiolytic potential and merits further investigation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/28004351
This study provides scientific validation to the anxiolytic, anti-inflammatory and anti-apoptotic properties of ASH-WEX, which may serve as an effective dietary supplement for management of SD induced stress and associated functional impairments.

Members Comments
One member reported taking it during withdrawal and said it was very beneficial.

Brz - ashwagandha update:
had to stop - bummer.
definitely allergic. just like sk8ermama. i couldn't figure out why my allergies hadn't gone away even after the pollen count dropped way down. stopped the ashwagandha and my congestion and headaches subsided. not to mention i had a very tight chest feeling. very uncomfortable. my side effects are not uncommon from what i've learned. i may try again way down the road but now that i'm battling reflux, i don't want to complicate things. i've heard rhodiola is a similar adaptogen, but don't want to introduce anything new into my system right now.

[fishinghat]

https://www.livestro...gandha-dangers/
Dangers of Ashwagandha

By the way it is a member of the deadly nightshade/potato family.

[Axlejames]

Thanks fish can having a cold effect your heart rate

[Axlejames]

Feeling very very weak and tired today my left rib hurts and just feel torn between mind and spirit I am seeking God where I can because that is what I want to cling too yesterday my wife was warm today kind of cold feel like everything is just jacked up wish this feeling would go away I dont kniw how much longer I can deal with these highs and lows

[gail]

Axle,

That research from fish sounds very interesting. Real interesting.

And not necessarily, but it can up your hear rate. But I would put that on your stressed out body. Stress and heart rate go together. No worry here. Ashwaghanda, look in to it Axle. If you choose this, Fish will tell you how.

[Axlejames]

I was gonna buy off Amazon

[Axlejames]

So I'm curious why do we have highs and lows in withdrawl what makes that happen

[gail]

Axle,

How are you feeling today? Had a talk with your wife? Still optimistic?

The answer from above will be best answered by Fishinghat.

[Axlejames]

Gail I'm having a neutral down day I feel myself trying g to pick up but cant seem to get there

[Axlejames]

Dr called heart is fine she even put me back on adderral I'm nervous is there any reaction I should worry about with duloxetine and adderall fish

[fishinghat]

Gail is right, any additional stress can cause the heart rate to elevate.
 

So I'm curious why do we have highs and lows in withdrawl what makes that happen

It reflects changes in stress, activity, amount of sleep, etc.
 

Dr called heart is fine she even put me back on adderral I'm nervous is there any reaction I should worry about with duloxetine and adderall fish

Interactions between amphetamine(Adderall) & Duloxetine

Applies to: Adderall (amphetamine / dextroamphetamine), Cymbalta (duloxetine)
Talk to your doctor before using DULoxetine together with amphetamine. DULoxetine may increase the effects of amphetamine, and side effects such as jitteriness, nervousness, anxiety, restlessness, and racing thoughts have been reported. Combining these medications can also increase the risk of a rare but serious condition called the serotonin syndrome, which may include symptoms such as confusion, hallucination, seizure, extreme changes in blood pressure, increased heart rate, fever, excessive sweating, shivering or shaking, blurred vision, muscle spasm or stiffness, tremor, incoordination, stomach cramp, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Severe cases may result in coma and even death.