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[invalidusername]

I am writing this post as there have been a few inquiries about CBD Oil, and being a user, I thought I would offer a little information and discussion if required.

 

I have kept it relatively short, but there is plenty more information on the web for those interested. 

 

 

PLEASE NOTE BEFORE READING

 

This has been written in a perspective of benefiting those coming off, or switching, anti-depressants. Please also note that I am not medically trained, nor do I have any vested interest in CBD Oil - I am offering this advice purely for the support of others. I also cannot be responsible for any problems arising as a result of misuse of CBD.

 

 

WHAT IS CBD OIL?

 

CBD Oil is extracted from the c******* plant by various methods. It uses the parts which relax and "chill" you, not the part that gives a dizzying high. Therefore, there is no risk of getting addicted, having seizures, nightmare or hallucinations. 

 

 

WHAT CAN I USE IT FOR?

 

I was initially interested in CBD Oil as a replacement for Valium, as I do not like any form of medicine, and much prefer a herbal route where possible. I also have a number of allergies to meds, and this obviously presents far fewer risks.

 

For those who suffer anxiety, this is a very good choice. I have noticed that when I am tense, wired or overworked, the oil works wonders. It relaxes my muscles and stops me over-thinking. It won't necessarily get rid of all symptoms, but for the majority, it does contribute significantly. It also helps, in slightly larger doses, the aid sleep.

 

It can be used for depression, although I cannot corroborate this as I have not used it continuously which is required to see the benefits of reduced depression. I use the oil on an as-needed basis, much like Valium, but to reduce depression, it is said that you should take 1-2 doses every day for a minimum of 7-10 days. This can also get costly. But if anyone should have further information, please post!

 

Its use for epilepsy has shown some excellent results. In fact, this is what bought CBD Oil to the market and suggested further studies.

 

 

IS IT LEGAL?

 

At present, the sale, possession and use of CBD is 100% legal. In the US, the sale has been banned in a few states, but largely it is available. I cannot state which as there is news changing all the time. For other countries I cannot say as the oil is relatively new to the market and thus will take time for legal pathways to be set. If in doubt, please do you own research.

 

 

WHAT DOES IT TASTE LIKE?

 

I will be honest, it is not pleasant - at least not for me. It is quite nutty, but also very bitter. However, you can get flavored oil which is much better and does not influence the effects. 

 

You can either drink the oil in a mix of water, or take it sublingually (under the tongue). If taken sublingually, keep under the tongue for around 90 seconds, then swill water around your mouth and swallow.

 

 

HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO WORK?

 

I start noticing effects within 20 minutes, with full effects around 45 minutes. Again, this will differ with other people. It is generally known to take the same time whichever way it is administered. 

 

 

HOW LONG DO THE EFFECTS LAST?

 

Whilst everyone is different in the effects, I notice the effects lasting around 5 hours. A lot longer than any Benzo. Make sure that when you take your first doses that you do not have any other commitments during this time - and absolutely do not drive!

 

 

HOW WILL I KNOW THE RIGHT STRENGTH OIL FOR ME?

 

OK, so the oil comes in a number of strengths, or concentrations if you will. From 2.5% to 25%. The greater the concentration, the purer the oil and thus, the greater the effect. However, the prices increase significantly. 

 

I opted for 15% and have stuck with this, and I would not advise anyone starting on anything higher. It should also be noted that 1 drop of 10% does not necessarily equate to 2 drops of 5%, or 4 drops of 2.5%. As the oil will be purer, the effects can be stronger. But each oil and batch will be slightly different.

 

 

HOW MUCH SHOULD I TAKE?

 

Please first refer to the above paragraph about strength.

 

Most places sell in bottle with pipettes for you to "drop", so it is often measured in drops. Others sell sprays, with each spray equating to 1 drop. Regardless of the strength you opt for - start with just 1 or 2 drops. Wait for the effects and gauge your next dose on that. Do not take any more if nothing happens. Wait at least 12 hours before your next dose as reactions may be delayed.

 

 

WHAT DO THE EFFECTS FEEL LIKE?

 

Again, everybody will have different effects, and note that the dose will obviously change this effect. Some people feel drunk, others feel chilled, whilst some just report a pleasant feeling whilst still going on with their normal day-to-day routine. I will typically take 2 drops if I am expected to be working or driving, but if I am staying at home, I will take 4 drops, which will often give quite an intense effect of relaxation. 6 drops will send me off to sleep!

 

Personally, I feel very heavy (a nice heavy), that even reaching for the glass of water on my nightstand to be an effort! A large dose and I won't be able to do anything other than watch the TV, thus forcing you to take time out. But again, everyone will experience something different, and I hope that some of you will be able to post your own findings here on the forum.

 

 

WHERE CAN I BUY IT FROM AND HOW DO I KNOW IT IS LEGIT?

 

 

Simple answer. You can't.

 

Someone could sell you olive oil in a bottle and charge you $30 for 20ml. Do your own research and find a good reputable company who have been supplying for a good few months, have reviews and have a visible trading address and customer support. 

 

Expect to pay around $20/£20 for 10ml of 15%, or slightly less for less concentration. 25% will cost significantly more which boasts an "Entourage" effect. I have not experienced this myself, so cannot comment, and I would again strongly advise against going for this stuff before trying the weaker strength.

 

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If anyone has any questions, please ask and I will do my best to help.

 

Please post any knowledge, press releases, research articles or experience (including as many details as possible about the source) for others to take advantage.

 

IUN

[gail]

IUN

Very interesting post! I hope that people using it come by to talk about their experience.

Have a goodnight sleep and keep your nut close by as a comforter!

[lady2882Nancy]

Awesome information Invalidusername

Just to put my little bit in to a great explanation of CBD Cannabis oil. Many countries are allowing medicinal Cannabis.

In Canada it will be legal in all forms on October 17th of this year.

I agree that one has to be very careful in researching where you buy your supply as there are many bad websites out there.

On the other hand talk to your doctor if you need it for medicinal purposes. Most doctors are becoming quite open to prescribing it and the prescription is sent to a medical facility and you order from there. The plus with this is the facility is set to certain standards and if you can claim medicine on your income tax then you can also claim your medicinal cannabis.

Yes it is an relatively expensive medicine but a month's worth of Cymbalta is too

[invalidusername]

Thanks Gail - I am looking forward to a good kip this evening. I was so grateful for a better day - celebrated with a nice bottle wine and put my feet up, Wishing you a very good evening too and lovely dreams of nuts and so forth

 

Lady - think you are new to me!! Very nice to be meeting you. Some very useful info for people your side of the pond. I forget the cost of medicine over there. I suppose this is something we have to be thankful for - my months supply of AD's comes in at £8.80 - so I suppose around 12USD. The stigma attached to "the leaf" is still out there, and having witnessed what it can do to some people when abused, I can well understand. I don't condone the use of recreational drugs whatsoever, but when used in the right context and with the best intentions, I agree it has its place. 

[invalidusername]

Oh - didn't realise we couldn't say cannabis

 

For the best however, the site doesn't want to be colored with the wrong message on search engines...

[pobes15]

This is a great write-up IUN. I had to do a lot of research between Reddit, studies, and word-of-mouth with people I know that have taken it - this would have been very helpful lol.

 

The jury is still out on CBD Oil, but I know a lot of people that swear by it. I take 15 drops in the morning, which equates to about 30mg of the concentration that I have, and it just helps my chill out a little bit. It doesn't melt everything away and make everything 100% perfect, but it sure does help IMO. To me it probably has about 50-75% the effect of a benzo.

 

I'd agree that the feeling lasts for about 5-6 hours for me as well. Which by mid-afternoon it's a lot easier to control my anxiety as that is always worst in the mornings.

 

I've also read some interesting takes on tolerance of CBD and how it has not been observed much. I've even come across people reporting a reverse tolerance when taking CBD! One can only hope that turns out to be true.

[invalidusername]

Thanks for your input - this is just what I was hoping for when I started it off. 

 

So you take quite a dose compared to me, but from reading around, I am on quite a small dose, which is good as it is not expensive! Maybe because I am sensitive to other meds, I do not need quite so much.

 

I will look forward to seeing how the thread progresses as others try the oil and report in the future. I will of course do the same.

[chaoskitty]

cbd has impressed me with relieving restless leg syndrome and general restlessness.

[invalidusername]

cbd has impressed me with relieving restless leg syndrome and general restlessness.

 

Useful to know - thanks kitty!

[PebblesWondering]

Thank you IUN for the information. Can you please clarify whether you were using CBD oil with THC in it, or just pure CBD oil with no THC content? Thank you 

[invalidusername]

Hi Pebbles - great to hear from you again.

 

You are always welcome here for help and advice! I love to help people such as yourself!

 

With regards to your question, it really depends on the country and its restrictiction.

 

The CBD oil available can never state to have 0% THC. It is simply not possible, much like 0% beer/cider usually has 0,5% alcohol.

 

But the TH content is far more removed so as to not permit a dependency on it.

 

The purpose is to look at the contents and the third party agreement of the stated content.

 

Please come back to me if you need further help - I will always be here....

[PebblesWondering]

Thanks IUN, sorry I wasn't clear with my question. I was asking whether the CBD oil that you, yourself, take has THC content.

 

You talked of its effect compared to valium and it sounds like you get a lot of relief from your anxiety with your oil, which is great.

 

I have not had the same experience. I don't really feel anything after taking it, whereas I feel great relief from anxiety after taking even just a quarter tablet of valium.

 

So I am wondering why I'm not getting the same impact as you.

 

I am using pure CBD oil (no THC content) and the lowest strength available, so this is what prompted me to ask whether the one you are using has THC content, or whether it is perhaps a stronger strength pure oil, which might explain why you get a stronger effect than I do. 

 

Thanks! 

[invalidusername]

Apologies for my late reply...

 

As I am a resident of the UK, it is illegal to sell, buy, or partake in any substance that has beyond a certain amount of TH content. Therefore, that which I took was largely from the female part of the cannabis plant. I will however state that, I soon built up a tolerance to it, as often people do. So if anything else, I would advice that when taking the oil, that you have what we call a t-break (tolerance break), otherwise the effect will be reduced as a result.

 

You mention the Valium - and a "quarter" - but can you tell me the dosage of the tablet that you are taking? So, if it is a 10mg dose, a quarter would be 2.5mg.

 

Valium is a very difficult drug to withdraw from, so I would tread carefully. 

 

Everyone's experience to these substances will be subjective. It helps some, but not others. for example, I tried my father who suffers from Parkinson's on BD. It didn't work for him, but it did.. intitally... for me. Unfortunately, much life antidepressants, it is not a "one size fits all". But it is a shame that is does not work for you.

 

However....

 

If you are in a country/state that permits the legal use of increased THC content, the I would suggest you try an oil with a greater level of THC content.

 

I would urge you to look at the work of Professor David Nutt. He has shown that cannabis has be frequently proven to reduce such issues as anxiety in a majority of cases. He worked for the British Government for a while, but he was pushed out because he stated that such substances were the way forward. This was purely as a result of the UK government not being able to tax such substances. But his work continues in the University of London. 

 

The use of cannabis in a medical environment is very quickly becoming the norm which can only tell you one thing - it works!

 

Please feel free to ask any further questions. I stay up to date with all of the goings-on in this field and can advise you as to best help.

 

Take good care of yourself and please stay in touch.

 

IUN

[PebblesWondering]

Thanks IUN,

 

In Australia, it's legal to take either pure CBD oil, or CBD oil with a certain amount of THC, with a doctor's prescription. It's a pretty new thing here. 

I use the pure oil with no THC content because it's illegal to drive with THC in your system, even if it's for medical purposes & thus in tiny amounts. 

I use valium very sparingly for panic attacks or severe anxiety attacks only. I take a quarter of a 5mg tablet, or a half, depending on circumstances. 

I'm aware it's addictive so it's not a good idea to use it often, which is very unfortunate given it is SO effective at quietening down my anxiety and overthinking.

I've only ever taken CBD oil an hour or so before bedtime so maybe I'm asleep by the time it takes effect and relaxes my brain??!! I'll try taking some in the afternoon next time I do an order and monitor the impact in daylight hours. 

It certainly helped me reduce the cymbalta from 120mg daily to 60mg daily but during an extended period of high emotional distress I had to resume higher doses of cymbalta and dropped the CBD. 

Thanks for the advice and the referral to Professor Nutt. 

[invalidusername]

Thank for all the clarification Pebbles - it makes a lot of sense.

 

I am SO proud of you holding firm with your use of the Valium. Hat and myself would be the first to tell you just how tough that drug is. You are taking the lowest possible dose and you are right to take it PRN (as needed) otherwise you will build up a tolerance to it. 

 

Unfortunately, I am prescribed 10mg/day for my epilepsy, so I just have to accept this. 

 

Interesting to know the legalities in Australia regarding THC, and it makes sense that driving under influence could be harmful. Not ideal obviously, but you have it better than the UK! We are slowly getting more places pop up who can prescribe medical cannabis which is wonderful, but all the companies are capitalising on this and charging so much money as it is not yet available on the national health service - and is unlikely to be for some time. 

 

Please keep in touch and let me know how you get on - and for sure, look up Professor Nutt's work. It makes for some great reading.

 

IUN