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[sparkybird]

I had read that Gatorade was really helpful in ccombating headaches so I went to buy a battle and see if it worked for me. Well, I wasn’t happy with the calories and sugar it contained so I did label reading and found Lifewtr. It ha zero calories, purified water and pH balanced electrolytes. And it works! It is also fantastic to drink when coming in from the summer heat. Hope it does the same for you.

I’ve been on this hellish Merry go round for a little over a year now. When I think I’m seeing the light at the end of the tunnel I find I have to slow down even more.

My suggestion to you new comers is listen to your body and don’t get in a hurry...getting in a hurry will only take you that much longer. Believe me I’ve been there.

[fishinghat]

Smart Gal!! Other members have found Gatorade to help with symptoms.
 
The following is from "and the answer to the question is..." in Medical Support.

Gatorade

Many members found Gatorade to be considerable help in fighting most withdrawal symptoms, especially the green gatorade.

Kindorf - Also I have been avoiding caffeine so I cut out my coffee and sweet tea.
I replaced then with fruit juice, ( mainly apple juice ) water and Gatorade. Today no stomach cramps I think they are done. No diarrhea, Lord I hope that is gone.

Judy - I knew that Gatorade helped with the light-headed, "floating brain" feelings.

watchdog - Drinks LOTS of GREEN gatorade..... don't know what the deal is, but it helps.

wiraz - Drink at least one G2 Gatorade a day – stay away from the full sugar version, leads to a higher chance of diarrhea. I drink one 32 oz bottle every day plus tons of water!!

caroline - Vit E also for head and joints and then Gatorade's G2. I didn't want the sugars so I went with the G2

Rafael - I have mild brain zaps but I believe the omega 3 Fish Oil and Gatorade are helping.

Sandlion - I took fish oil/other Omega 3 and also found that Gatorade helped -- maybe it's the salt replacement after all the nightsweats.

guppie - I'm a month off the drug so only minor zaps now and then. Whoever gave the gatorade advice is a genius. That treats them instantly (make sure you get the low calorie gatorade since regular is high calorie). Brain zaps are minor. I grab a gatorade and that gets rid of those for a bit (electrolytes).

Alisha - gatorade-had one of the big bottles yesterday and it did seem to help,

Summary - Many members medtioned drinking Gatorade for the electrolytes after diarrhea, night sweats and when having brain zaps. G2 was often mentioned because it has no sugar (not true, see below). Also, it was suggested that one should not just rely on Gatorade alone for hydrated but should also drink plenti of water. Green Gatorade is highly recommended by some members. Vitylite and Powerade were also mentioned a couple times for electrolytes. I would also recommend Isopure as it comes with and without sugars and proteins with a similar amount and type of electrolytes as Gatorade.

Original Gatorade - One 12.5 fl oz bottle contains 21 grams sugar. It also contains 160 mg sodium (sodium is a stimulant to some people, raising bp and and metabolism). It contains no phosphorus, calcium or magnesium.
Lemon/lime has same ingredients as other Gatorade except it has Yellow #5.

G2 Gatorade - It has the same amount of sugar as regular Gatorade and nearly all the same ingredients and electrolytes.

Gatorade Fierce Green Apple Sports Drink - This may be the "green gatorade" that members spoke of. It contains malic acid, the active ingredient in apple cider vinager which has proved so helpful to other members. Other ingredients are the same.

Isopure Zero Carbs - No sugar, with some calcium. Contains Malic acid
Isopure Mass - With sugar and proteins, with calcium, Contains Malic acid
Isopure zero carb with proteins - no sugar, contains proteins. With calcium Contains Malic acid

 

[AliYogini]

Thanks Sparky bird I will try the life water. While I love Gatorade, I have to avoid sugar, so it is not an option for me.
Sorry for your rough road. I must be traveling down the same highway..can't find a rest stop of exit at the moment. Very depressing.

[sparkybird]

Ali,
Good to hear you having same journey. I’ve been doing this since May 2017.
How long have you been on this road? What number of beads are you currently taking? I’m on 17 beads and holding.

The name if the water is Lifewtr now Lifr Water. I found it not same place as Gatorade but above the bottled water at Walmart. It’s not cheap but am willing to spend the extra because it works for me.

I also use l-theanine (100 mg) to combat anxiety. I use 100 and not higher because I am so sensitive to any pills—even natural ingredients like l-theanine.
If anxiety is too accelerated I have Ativan but only will I use it in dire circumstances.

I am also keeping a daily journal that keeps track of how I feel and what I have taken. It’s helped me look back and realize how far I’ve come. That and this website are so beneficial for my recovery. My psychiatrist and doctor have been absolutely no help.
The psychiatrist actually said I was doing so good she felt that it wasn’t necessary to see me any more. What a cop out. Damm medical community.

[AliYogini]

Sparkybird,
I started at 30 mg (which was 180 beads in my case). Started tapering end of Sept 2017. Had to stop and hold a couple times. I'm currently at 40 beads which would be 6.6 mg. Still a long way to go. Going through some other stress now which is triggering some depression for me so I may have to stop and hold again.
I keep a log just so I can see my bead reduction and tell myself I'm making progress. Your journal idea sounds better. I had some notes earlier in my journey on the log but I should have kept a journal like you did. I do take i-theanine also. This last week nothings working though. Anxiety and depression are in full force. Really having a bad day.

[sparkybird]

Ali,
So sorry to hear that. I will pray-for your recovery.

I started at 20 mg or 116 beads. It’s difficult to count when your head is swimming and concentration low. I had to count more than once to get one dose and I did a weeks worth once a week.

Of course it’s better now. Thank God.

Again, good luck. If you have any question I can help you with please get in touch with me

[AliYogini]

Thank you Sparkybird. Thought I replied yesterday, but it's not here so I must have messed up. Have some health issues going on and I also wanted to thank you for that journal idea. I think that will be good for me.

[Jgo]

How much fish oil a day helps with brain zaps? I'm currently taking 6,000mg fish oil daily (6 capsules).. Equals 1500mg dha+epa and 1800mg total including other omega-3's besides epa and dha. Still getting brain twitches/jerks/movements from coming off prozac and possibly from still lowering cymbalta. Can make it happen when I move my eyes all the way as far as I can to the side of my head, can hear them also. The fish oil could be helping and they could be a lot worse and I just don't know. Was wondering what the normal dosage of fish dha+epa (omega 3's) is a day for brain zaps. Thanks. 

[fishinghat]

Usually around 2000 a day on epa and dha total. Total Omega 3 over 3000 can cause an irregular heart beat. I hope this helps. In most cases this dose helps the brain zaps but may not completely get rid of them.

[fishinghat]

Other things mentioned to help the Zaps are...

http://www.bmj.com/c...nt/331/7520/824
http://pb.rcpsych.org/content/29/6/219
These are things that previous members have ewported good success with in controling brain zaps.
Dramamine, Meclizine, Rugby Travel Med (Meclizine plus phenylalanine)
The Rugby travel med is probably your best bet.

"The brain zaps are horrid, but 5-HTP really does ease them dramatically."
Caution - Should NOT be taken with an antidepressant.

Several members also mention Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar (contains malic acid.
Many members also mentioned the Fierce Green Apple Gatorade as a cure for brain zaps. (Also contains malic acid. )
Tylenol Cold and Flu, Nyquil, Mucinex D and other cold medicines which contain pseudophedrine are often used to get rid of the brain Zaps.( Do not take a cold medicine with Dextromethorphan with Cymbalta)
I hope one of these help.

[sparkybird]

Update on drinks for headaches and brain zaps.

I’ve found that Pur Aqua Sparkling Frost in any flavor has malic acid. I discovered it by accident. It is only 50 cents at Aldi’s. It is only 10 calories a bottle.

Hope this post can help. Someone. I’ve been on 16 beads for 31 days and counting. I’ve gotten through the anxiety and now dealing with not sleeping because of brain zaps and dizziness. I guess I’ve hit a plateau and may be here a while.

[gail]

Good morning Sparky,

Thanks for the suggestions, it may help others.

You got rid of the anxiety, this is great, as it takes so much energy from us.

16 beads, holding, you sure know how it works. Don't we learn a lot here, thanks to Fishinghat and others! Hope to see you back for another update, or just posting. Merci Sparkybird!

[sparkybird]

Hello all,

I’m still on 15 beads and been on for 34 days now. Most of the withdrawal has been gone for over a week, but I’ve been experiencing dizziness which comes on during the morning. This morning not only was I dizzy but restless. If anyone has experienced this let me know.

I want to take things slow but also want to reduce to 14 beads in a week. Any suggestions or insights greatly appreciated.

[fishinghat]

I bet you take your beads in the morning don't you?

[sparkybird]

Yes

[fishinghat]

This seems to be a common reaction by some to people to when they take their Cymbalta during withdrawal. Your body is obviously Cymbalta 'poor' just before your daily dose. It appears that for some people when that next dose is taken it is absorbed very fast and you get this sudden onset of reactions. Many members who have experienced this not only experience this set of symptoms after taking their dose in the morning but find that their withdrawal symptoms are worse in the evening as their body runs out of Cymbalta in their system faster.

[sparkybird]

Is there anything I can do to keep this from happening?

Another question I have, since I am so sensitive to this darn Cymbalta, as I decrease do my withdrawal symptoms get worse?

[gail]

Good question Sparkybird!

Fishinghat, could the fifteen beads be taken in two doses?

[sparkybird]

Gail, I have tried taking in two doses and the symptoms got worse. But thanks for the idea.

[fishinghat]

"Is there anything I can do to keep this from happening?"

Exactly Gail. Take 8 in the morning and 7 at bedtime should cut those symptoms in half (theoretically).

"Another question I have, since I am so sensitive to this darn Cymbalta, as I decrease do my withdrawal symptoms get worse?"

Usually they do get worse so one has to go even slower. Sorry.

Sparkybird, don't worry about this too much if you go slow enough you will get there. You have come so far.

[sparkybird]

When I was taking 16 beads I took 8 in the morning (7 am) and by 9 am I was a mess with headaches and extreme anxiety. So I guess (unless there is another solution) I’ll keep with my regular routine of 15 for the rest of this week and start Sunday on 14. I’m not looking forward to it. I hate knowing the withdrawal could get worse. I was “hoping” they decrease. But that’s the name of the game.

I have a very good friend that prays for me on a regular basis. They seem to understand what I’m dealing with here. Not many people know or even understand. Not even my own family. SAD

[fishinghat]

I am from Missouri Sparkybird and I understand. Things have changed over the last 10 years here though as being on an antidepressant is a "fad". This had led to many more people being familiar with the withdrawal. If you don't mind I will pray for you as well.

I am going to post something later on those items that have helped other members in the past as the thread "Summary of Cymbalta" is a little long and dry for most people. This will just be basic info on what has worked for others.

Time and patience.

[fishinghat]

                                  Items Proven to Help Many with Cymbalta Withdrawal.
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Dramamine
Helps with lightheadedness, jolts, dizzy spells, sleep, nausea, brain swooshes, calming, motion sickness, brain zaps, Sloshy head, and anxiety.
Active Ingredient
Dimenhydrinate - an antihistamine - Do not take with other antihistamines (such as cetirizine, diphenhydramine, hydroxyzine).
Caution - some members state that "dramamine did..." but as listed below there is a difference in ingredients and dosing for different kinds of dramamine. Please follow label directions. Dimenhydrinate is available in 98 products approved in the USA other than dramamine so please check label ingedients before using with other products. Nearly all nausea, cold, flu, sleep aides and dizziness medicines contain antihistamines and are incompatable with each other. Check ingredient list closely. These drugs Will NOT contribute to Serotonin Syndrome.
Note - If taken on a regular basis, it stops working
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Bonine -
Active ingredients (in each tablet) Meclizine HCI 25 mg.
Meclizine
Taken for headaches, nausea, dizziness, brain zaps.
Meclizine (an antihistamine) is available in 104 products approved in the USA other than Bonine so please check label ingedients before using with other products.
Will NOT contribute to Serotonin Syndrome.
Caution - Tell your doctor about all medicines you use, and those you start or stop using during your treatment with meclizine, especially the antidepressants bupropion, duloxetine, fluoxetine, paroxetine, or sertraline.
Using meclizine together with duloxetine may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating.
Common side effects include blurred vision, dry mouth, constipation, dizziness, drowsiness, headache, vomiting, or tiredness.
Before using this medication, tell your doctor or pharmacist your medical history, especially of: breathing problems (such as asthma, emphysema), high pressure in the eye (glaucoma), heart problems, high blood pressure, seizures, stomach/intestine problems (such as ulcers, blockage), overactive thyroid (hyperthyroidism), difficulty urinate, liver problems, kidney problems.
Sarah noted "Dramamine II (not the original Dramamine) contains the same active ingredient as Bonine. Some places also sell generic Meclizine and I have found it at CVS. Some very closely related drugs are buclizine, and cyclizine.

Some brand names that contain meclizine, buclizine, or cyclizine are:
Bonine
Bonamine
Dramamine II
Marezine
Marzine
Meclicot
Medivert"
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Rugby Travel Med
Meclizine HCI 25 mg and they contain the artificial sweetener Aspartame, also contains Phenylalanine 0.28 mg per tablet (can cause anxiety and nervousness in some people).
Truck Princess commented that "I have found that taking the Rugby travel sickness med 25mg took away ALL my withdrawal symptoms for the majority. I don't get any brain zaps, dizziness, head swooshing, none of that. Also with the Rugby it's 24hrs so you only take one or two. The Rugby I took because of the nausea was so bad and just discovered it really got rid of most of the withdrawals and I didn't get the crying spells like you and others have."
This may partly be due to the fact it also contains Phenylalanine which other members report as helping their symptoms. (See below)
Caution - Many of the above products contain Lactose, a concern if you are lactose intolerant. They may also contain artificial colors that may irritate the nervous system and artificial sweeteners that can irritate the stomach in some people.
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Imodium AD
Members report it is very effective for dry heaves and diarrhea.
Fishinghat - If the dry heaves are bothering her you might try a half dose of Imodium. It helps relax the GI muscles but don't use it if constipation is an issue. In the case of constipation you can have her suck on a peppermint lozenge. This relaxes the esophagus/stomach but does not affect the lower intestines and does not aggravate constipation or diarrhea. Be sure it has real peppermint not peppermint flavoring. I have occasional esophageal spasms (a weaker form of dry heaves) and they work well for me. I buy mine at a health food store for about $3 for 10 lozenges.
When I went through mine I lived off of Imodium and Pepto for the digestive issues.
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Pepto

Upset stomach and diarrhea

Fishinghat - I know I lived off of pepto, Imodium and antacids. I had some good success with Pepto. I used it for occasional relief as too much can cause constipation, black stools and ringing in the ears.
Many members report using it successfully for stomach issues including nausea, cramping, and diarrhea.
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Diaper Rash Cream
Itching
Pitbullmama- The diaper rash cream actually helped soothe the itch some.
Runni - Anyway, back to itching I found that Calamine Lotion was helpful, Pure Aloe Vera gel was very cooling and also cream that can be bought for diaper rash in babies is especially good.
Vickif - hey even diaper rash cream works(by generic it cheaper)
AproDerm Emoillent cream
Katherine - (Red Face Rash) If anyone else is suffering from this I just wanted to give hope that this side effect only lasted a few days and that I eased it with AproDerm Emoillent cream,
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Cold and Flu Medications

Pseudoephedrine/Phenylephrine containing meds
Used to treat nearly all withdrawal symptoms.
Caution - Pseudoephedrine can raise blood pressure and cause nervousness in some people.
gail - Tylenol flu is good for the brain zaps.
hailsmarie - Tylenol Cold and Flu completely took away my brain zaps,
dstanek - My husband said try some Nyquil I didn't have any but tried tylenol cold nighttime. In 20 min symptoms disappeared. I slept great no soaking night sweats. No nightmares. Zaps gone, I even had to shake my head to be sure. Woke up this morning feeling normal. I am going to get non drowsy version today and see if this truly is the miracle helper.

Coastgirl - Just wanna say I ran out of Mucinex D and got Advil Cold And Flu (behind the counter with pseudophedrine) and it also works to combat the brain zaps for me. My vertigo and zaps are 98% gone.
Houdi - some days I had to take sudafed, the REAL sudafed and only 1/2 the dose cuz it reves me up.
Johnnyz - earlier today I read a topic in here about pseudoephedrine and its supposed effectiveness to alleviate SSRI withdrawal symptoms. I take 12-hour sudafed (the real, behind the counter sudafed) 1-2x daily as I have persistent nasal congestion. Yesterday evening, soon after the morning sudafed tab had worn off, I had a very stressful situation which caused an emotional low that had me sitting for 10 minutes feeling very depressed. I was able to talk myself out of that stupor and continue on in a neutrally emotional state until bedtime. I took a 12-hr sudafed around 11pm and woke up at 6am this morning feeling very good physically and emotionally, like I had a decent sleep. My point here is that, looking back at the previous 5 days of my Cymbalta/ Trintillex withdrawal plan and its relative low and tolerable symptoms, I wonder how much my daily use of sudafed has been a factor in my light symptoms.
irritableme - I started taking a Claritin-D and that seems to help. When I don't take the Claritin-D the brain swooshes and zaps return.
Coastgirl - Just wanna say I ran out of Mucinex D and got Advil Cold And Flu (behind the counter with pseudophedrine) and it also works to combat the brain zaps for me. My vertigo and zaps are 98% gone.
Carleeta - Have been taking advil cold and sinus daily..Seems to work.

Pseudoephedrine
Wiki
Patients who are prone to anxiety or panic attacks should use pseudoephedrine with caution, as anxiety and restlessness are common side effects, mostly due to the drug's stimulant properties. Pseudoephedrine should not be taken with beta-blockers.

http://www.ehealthme...loride/anxiety/
(FDA website)
140 people reported to have side effects when taking Pseudoephedrine Hydrochloride.
Among them, 12 people (8.57%) had Anxiety as a side effect.
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Advil LIQUID BLUE GELCAPs Cocktail
Used for pain
Heartfeatherss - Try taking 4 ( yes 4) Advil LIQUID BLUE GELCAPs with a Coke. It has to be the blue gel caps and it cannot be a diet Coke. My neurologist told me to do this and I was so miffed, thinking he was just not understanding how bad it hurt... but dang! It works!! Hope this gives you relief. Contains ibuprofen and dihydramine. Should not be taken with other amines like benadryl.
Indian J Exp Biol. 2003 Nov;41(11):1322-4.
Influence of acidic beverage (Coca-Cola) on pharmacokinetics of ibuprofen in healthy rabbits.
https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/15332505
Note - This sure sounds like it puts a lot of Advil into the system. The articles I read from migraine users all say the same thing it must be coke a cola and name brand Advil liquicaps.
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Information on other cold and flu medicine ingredients

Chlorpheniramine (over the counter) is an antihistamine Caution - It has also been shown to function as an ssri and snri. As such it should never be taken in combination with those medications as it can cause seratonin syndrome. Due to its anticholenergic effects it frequently causes constipation.
Begins working in 30 minutes to an hour
Peak levels - 2 to 4 hrs
Half Life – 12 to 43 hrs

Dextromethorophan
FiveNotions - I didn't check, but my bet is that Tylenol Cold contains DMX -- "dextromethorphan" .... it's a serotonin agonist (enhancer - reuptake inhibitor) ...
Nyquil contains a lot of it, which is why someone taking Cymbalta (duloxetine) or any other SSRI shouldn't use Nyquil ... there are case studies about the combo causing severe serotonin syndrome ...

Loratadine

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/10444229
Loratadine, No effect on 'mood'.

While this is the only research I found it is interesting to note that around 4% of people taking loratadine report anxiety as a side effect. This is about the same number of diphenhydramine (Benadryl) users that report depression as a side effect. (FDA)

From Drugs.com
Cardiovascular side effects have included hypertension, hypotension, palpitation, supraventricular tachyarrhythmias, syncope and tachycardia.
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Zantac
Acid control, uspet stomach and fights anxiety
Contains Ranitidine is an H2 histamine receptor antagonist that works by blocking histamine and thus decreasing the amount of acid released by cells of the stomach.
http://www.cymbaltaw...tion#entry66071
Zantac (Ranitidine) For Anxiety And Depression
FiveNotions - I've stumbled onto the discovery that Zantac, which I'd been taking for severe acid reflux, seems to help my post-crapalta anxiety ... did some research, and found a number of old (really old) articles that seem to confirm this ... here's one of the freely available ones ...
jimmcg - Now, with a week on the Zantac, I feel much more in control of these feelings. I may wake up worrying about something in the middle of the night, but, unlike before, I can talk myself through it and go back to sleep.
Caution : but be aware that new research is showing that extended use of Zantac, and / or use of the highest dose, may cause liver damage.
https://livertox.nlm.../Ranitidine.htm

Drug interactions -
Zantac (Ranitidine) may significantly increase the blood levels of loperamide (Imodium). This can lead to serious and potentially fatal complications such as irregular heart rhythm and cardiac arrest, especially if you use more than the recommended doses of loperamide.
Zantac CAN be taken with benadryl. They are different types of antihistamines. Drugs.com
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Diphenhydramine, (over the counter) also known as Benadryl, is an antihistamine and as such is not only used for allergies/colds but also as a sleep aide. It does have a mild anxiolytic effect. May lower blood pressure and cause irregular heartbeats. Your body does build up tolerance to it after a few weeks. This medicine has many drug interactions.
Begins working in 15 to 30 minutes
Peak levels - 2 to 2.5 hrs
Half Life – 4 to 6 hrs
Use by members for anxiety releif and to help sleep is too numerous to mention.

Diphenhydramine should NOT be taken with hydroxyzine. Drugs.com

serendipity - I found Benadryl to produce hangover effects, and cause palpitations when taken long term. Even if you wake up in the middle of the night, and can't get back to sleep, even a teeny amount (say, 15mg) can induce sleep again.
Schmb - Benadryl worked on a limited basis for me, because sometimes it makes me jittery, and that only made the zaps much worse, so just use some caution in case you are sensitive to it.
FH - One caution on benadryl. It is famous for bad reactions with other medicine so check your compatability closely. The maximum dosage of benadryl is 25 to 50 mg every 4 to 6 hours and do not surpass 300 mg in a day.
Benadryl Total
Medicinal ingredients:
•Acetaminophen, 500 mg
•Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride, 25 mg
•Pseudoephedrine Hydrochloride, 30 mg

It contains diphenhydramine which is the active ingredient in regular Benadryl and also pseudoephedrine which is common in most cold medicines. The Diphenhydramine helps with sleep and anxiety and the pseudoephedrine helps block the action of adrenaline which produces a calming effect.
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Omega 3
Dose - Omega 3 is recommended at 2000 mg/day EPA and DHA for anxiety, give or take a couple hundred depending on what research you read. It has been shown that only the EPA and DHA components effect anxiety. Any other omega 3 fatty acids don't do anything for anxiety. Life Extensions, Mega EPA/DHA, is distilled (molecularly purified) so you don't get any impurities with your product plus it contains no mercury. Some even provide a certificate of analysis if requested. They also have ones that are enteric coated now that will not irritate the digestive track and has no fish burbs to them.

http://www.cymbaltaw...elps#entry67706
This thread contains a detailed discussion on use of Omega 3.

Also this thread....
http://www.cymbaltaw...elps#entry68036

Fishinghat - Omega 3 fish oils can be very high in mercury depending on the type of fish used. Some have tested at over 300 ppm mercury. There are brands out there that are mercury free or low mercury guaranteed. Something to think about. If you have thyroid issues they usually contain high iodine concentrations also. One member had an episode of high iodine toxicity I couldn't find a iodine free product. If your thyroid is fine then this should not be an issue.
FH - Cod liver oil you buy in the store may be high in mercury and pesticides. The liver is the pollutant filter for the body. Cod livers are from the top of the food chain and pollutant levels are usually significant. Be sure to get one that is purified and verified mercury free. But I don't believe there is one verified pesticide free. Great care must be used in selecting one. It also contains fairly significant levels of vitamin A and D and toxic doses are known to occur. Routine blood analysis for Vit A and D should be done every 6 months if using Cod Liver Oil or any Fish oil.
Heavy metal poisoning by the body's accumulation of traces of heavy metals, in particular mercury, lead, nickek, arsenic and cadmium is a possible risk from consuming fish oil supplements. Also, other contaminants (PCBs, Furans, dioxins, and PBDEs) might be found, especially in less-refined fish oil supplements.

Warning
Arrhythmias
Omega 3
3 Grams of omega 3 per day can worsen cardiac arrythmias.
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Ginger
Helps with nausea and stomach issues.
25 positive remarks and 4 negative.
Tips from members...
FN - ginger tea (really strong), ginger ale (old home remedy for sure), and ... candied ginger, raw ginger.
Even it sounds disgusting, eating Ginger raw is the most effective way cured my nausea in 5-10 minutes
AH - Ginger root works very well for nausea. I have 550mg ginger root capsules, and this has helped with a lot of the nausea and stomach upset. I'd totally recommend buying the ginger root in capsule form at the health food store. Mine was $8.99 for 100 capsules, and I will take 2-3 whenever my stomach is upset. And of course we can't forget ginger tea. It is soothing, relaxing, and will also help your stomach feel better.
ta2ed - You can try ginger root... Wont make you tired.
Betty - I'd recommend trying ginger ale -- not Canada Dry but the real strong stuff, sometimes labeled Jamaican ginger ale or ginger beer. It's sold in four-packs here, in the health food or imported section of the store. I've had "irritable bowel" problems for years and have found this is real medicine, with no downside I can see! It also works for nausea.
Anna - I thought I would give just smelling ginger a try. I put 2-3 drops of ginger essential oil on a cotton ball and my nausea pretty much disappeared almost instantly.
Latte - ginger candy for nausea - I swear by it, particularly the Gin-Gin brand
Amberd - I tried ginger tea, but it only gave me indigestion on top of it all.
Vinvin - The Fierce Green Apple Gatorade, Dramamine and Boylan's Ginger Ale seem to help out as well

Travelcalm Natural
Travacalm Natural contains 100mg of dried ginger root extract that offers faster relief in conjunction with 400mg of root powder that helps sustain the soothing effect. Each tablet contains: Zingiber officinale (ginger) 500mg as root powder 400mg and dried root extract equivalent to 100mg of root powder.
EOTR - I am taking 'Travelcalm' Natural - costs $4.50 for 10 tablets and ......it works!
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[fishinghat]

                                             Items Proven to Help Many with Cymbalta Withdrawal.
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Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar
Used for detox, fibromyalgia, arthritis, zaps, fatigue, shakes, muscle aches and pains.
Tfaff - I'm trying to " detox" by eating well, finding foods that help detox the liver. I drink that apple cider vinegar/ honey/cinnamon mix that came up in another post here.
Fivenotions - I took myself off completely a few months ago and went back to home remedies (ginger tea and ginger slices, as well as Bragg's vinegar) ... the home remedies work pretty well (not perfectly) for the acid reflux ... but the "stomach worms"/anxiety every so slowly started to ratchet up ...
Another "home remedy" that really helped me (still does, I'm still taking it) is Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar ... it's also available in most health food stores, as well as from the internet (Amazon, and Bragg's directly) ... can be put in water, with honey, etc.... during early withdrawal, I drank it straight ... my food cravings were totally weird, and at the time it actually tasted great just like that ... blech ... there've been studies (which I now can't find, typical) that indicate it's a food that naturally increases serotonin levels ... it also cured my arthritis ... (Grandma knew more than I gave her credit for!)
The Bragg's ACV, which is unpasteurized and has what they call the "mother" in it...weird term, but that's the stuff that would otherwise be pasteurized out ....what starts to form when apple cider begins to go "hard" ....

Here's the link ...
http://bragg.com/

I started taking it early in withdrawal ... totally by self-discovery ... I was having an amazing craving for vinegar tasting stuff...like dill pickles...actually, the juice they come in...so I did some googling...

It was very helpful to me with the withdrawal ... seemed to help with the zaps, my constant tiredness and the body "shakes" I got .... now, I've found that it's pretty much cured my arthritis...
Fishinghat - By the way some have had very good success with Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar for their fibro. There is some medical research that supports this. If you do a search on this site you will find several discussions about it. Be aware it is acidic so it can upset the stomach. The reason the Bragg's is the only Apple Cider Vinegar that works is that it is unpasteurized and therefore has all the original components. If you have any questions about the Braggs let me know and I will try to answer them.
Lady Nancy - I could not resist the urge to search and found several references to Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar which is an unfiltered and unpasteurized apple cider vinegar. Many are unable to take it due to stomach issues in which case a good alternative is Malic Acid/Magnesium in pill form as it works the same.
The dose for the Bragg's is two teaspoons in a cup of water. It is much stronger than regular Apple Cider Vinegar which is probably why it causes stomach aches for some even with some sugar or honey added. I know that I would not be using sugar at all if possible as it actually adds to joint pain and feeds the inflammation. .
Fishinghat - A little caution on the vinegar, which has been shown effective, added vinegar ingestion by women has been linked to increases in vaginal infections due to changes in blood and vaginal pH.
katrand - I also add Bragg's apple cider vinegar to my orange juice every morning to aid in absorption of my thyroid meds and supplements.
TFL - Are you taking anything for the joint pain? I found that Apple Cider Vinegar (Braggs is the best - natural!) is a great help - you can mix a couple of spoonfuls in a cup of warm water with 1 spoon of honey and some cinnamon - almost tasty! I have arthritis and fibro and this really helps - give it a couple of weeks...
BJinFl - I have tried ACV, fishinghat, thank you. Unfortunately, I have one of those stomachs that can't stomach anything.
Fishinghat - For fibromyalgia I would try Braggs brand Apple Cider Vinegar. The dosage is 2 tablespoons in about a cup of cold water once a day. There has been some medical research that this juice has benefit for fibro and arthritis pain. This brand is the only one that works because it is the only one that is unfiltered and not pasteurized. Many find this solution to be too acidic for their stomach to handle, if you have that problem then buy some malic acid/magnesium tablets at your local health store. Malic acid and magnesium are the active ingredients in the Apple Cider vinegar.
Gail - ....each capsules contains 500mg apple cider vinegar powder, 300mcg potassium and 4mcg bore.
Fishinghat - He said to use a 50/50 blend of Braggs (sp) apple cider vinegar and water on the area on her back where the nerves are pinched. It may take a couple months to make a difference but will reduce the arthritis and the pain greatly. He recommends it to many of his patients as a way to reduce there use of pain meds for arthritis. I asked him if he has ever heard of using it on fibro and he said that the ACV worked better on the fibro than it did the arthritis.
http://www.ehow.com/...bromyalgia.html
This article explains the basics of using ACV to treat Fibro. I found maybe 50 articles or so that say basically the same thing and many forums that say it works.

http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/8587088
This research article demonstrates that malic acid is very beneficial in treating fibro. AND malic acid is one of the main ingredients in ACV. It is suggested that there must be magnesium present for it to work and there is nagnesium in ACV.

Bragg Organic Apple Cider Vinegar is the type most often mentioned on the forums.

Gonnamakeit - Well, I decided to give this a try and started this morning with this recommended by Whycee a while back: "A cup of hot water, 1/2 teaspoon of cinnamon, two tablespoons of apple cider vinegar and a teaspoon of honey every morning" minus the cinnamon as I'm allergic and I have to say that it seems to be working! I had two servings this morning and this is the first good day since last Friday and I even woke up with my period in full force AGAIN--it just ended Sunday (apologies to the men!) and even those cramps are so much better.
FiveNotions -
Drinking to Cure: Apple Cider Vinegar and Cherry Juice for Arthritis?
http://www.healthlin...juice-arthritis

This isn't an article, but a collection of links to info about the ACV arthritis connection...also, we had an interesting discussion here a while back about tart cherry juice as a remedy for withdrawal... https://www.cymbalta...l=+tart+cherry

The healing powers of vinegar
http://www.dailymail...rs-vinegar.html

http://www.anyvitami...inegar-info.htm

Serotonin/tryptophan connection mentioned . . .
http://health.usnews...e-cider-vinegar

This is an interesting discussion about ACV from the Social Anxiety Forum....
http://www.socialanx...a-relief-47323/
Wagtail - I think it was Fivenotions that recommended the apple cider vinegar , so I decided to try it . I can't say if it's a coincidence or not , but I do feel better since I've been taking it ... Less s/e's & more energy .. I'm happy with that !..:-)
Carleeta - Holy Moly...Apple cider vinegar...wow...I use it daily with Iceberg lettuce...I use it on my fish and on my potatoes..Also, I mix apple cider with fresh caused garlic and fresh ground black pepper, place it in a small bowl and dip pieces of meat (steak, pork chops) on it and eat them...I also soak crispy friend pork rinds in the bowl mixture and eat them...I guess I use apple cider vinegar a lot. It's possible this is what keeps me going forward...I like that it does burn fat also... So great to know it's helping you out with your cymbalta withdrawl....
JBhibbard - Drink lots and lots of water. Have you tried the apple cider vinegar detox? I believe it helps.
Andreamarie - For supplements I'm taking B Complex, Omega 3s, and apple cider vinegar.
Whychee - A cup of hot water, 1/2 teaspoon of cinnimon, two tablespoons of apple cider vinegar (Braggs) and a teaspoon of honey every morning.
plezhelp - i cannot say what will work for you but i continue to try different things = being open to change as the *** side-effects change too! the best thing i am still doing is tepid Epsom-salt baths with baking soda, and apple cider vinegar - which has helped a lot with the itching; i have no idea which one of those things are the best/better 'healing' but know that they are all currently helping me.
happyzappynot - I found that adding a teaspoon of cider vinegar to a glass of water helped my gut.
andie - I have bought some omega 3 6 9 and taking apple cider vinegar. everything has been very bearable so far so good xx
Nmood2talk - I started taking apple cider vinegar over a week ago to help with metabolism and weight issues - it does - more energy than ever - less appetite but amazing result is how I didn't know it helped get off Cymbalta - I tried before becasue when I didn't have money for meds at times I had terrible brain zaps(like elctric shocks in my head) and terrible nightmares- and the pain in my legs got so much worse -
the apple cider vinegar has worked 3rd day off minimal leg discomfort - no brain zaps - no nightmares - have felt better than I can remember ever - look up apple cider vinegar on Web MD and other places - don't drink straight as it will irritate throat - harsh to teeth - look to see if any side effects - says it could interact with meds ... just research it - but I'm telling you - it's an answer for me so far when I thought there were no answers - apple cider vinegar - look it up - nothing fancy although they say organic is better - got mine at the dollar store and like I said took it initially for weight loss - which it is curbing my appetite and making me feel so much better and I'm losing weight but the off cymbalta without terrible withdrawals was the unexpected unbelievable finding - look it up - research it - and let me know
IamwhoIam - Prepare a mixture of apple cider vinegar and honey. Consume this mixture; this home remedy is highly effective in relieving vertigo.
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Melatonin
FH - a research article where it was shown that taking 3 mg of melatonin under the tongue (sublingual) helps with anxiety. Place it under the tongue until dissolved and gone. In case you are not familiar with melatonin it is the chemical your body produces in the evening to make you sleepy and ready for bed.
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Gatorade

Many members found Gatorade to be considerable help in fighting most withdrawal symptoms, especially the green gatorade.

Kindorf - Also I have been avoiding caffeine so I cut out my coffee and sweet tea.
I replaced then with fruit juice, ( mainly apple juice ) water and Gatorade. Today no stomach cramps I think they are done. No diarrhea, Lord I hope that is gone.

Judy - I knew that Gatorade helped with the light-headed, "floating brain" feelings.

watchdog - Drinks LOTS of GREEN gatorade..... don't know what the deal is, but it helps.

wiraz - Drink at least one G2 Gatorade a day – stay away from the full sugar version, leads to a higher chance of diarrhea. I drink one 32 oz bottle every day plus tons of water!!

caroline - Vit E also for head and joints and then Gatorade's G2. I didn't want the sugars so I went with the G2

Rafael - I have mild brain zaps but I believe the omega 3 Fish Oil and Gatorade are helping.

Sandlion - I took fish oil/other Omega 3 and also found that Gatorade helped -- maybe it's the salt replacement after all the nightsweats.

guppie - I'm a month off the drug so only minor zaps now and then. Whoever gave the gatorade advice is a genius. That treats them instantly (make sure you get the low calorie gatorade since regular is high calorie). Brain zaps are minor. I grab a gatorade and that gets rid of those for a bit (electrolytes).

Alisha - gatorade-had one of the big bottles yesterday and it did seem to help,

Vinvin - The Fierce Green Apple Gatorade, Dramamine and Boylan's Ginger Ale seem to help out as well

Summary - Many members mentioned drinking Gatorade for the electrolytes after diarrhea, night sweats and when having brain zaps. G2 was often mentioned because it has no sugar (not true, see below). Also, it was suggested that one should not just rely on Gatorade alone for hydrated but should also drink plenti of water. Green Gatorade is highly recommended by some members. Vitylite and Powerade were also mentioned a couple times for electrolytes. I would also recommend Isopure as it comes with and without sugars and proteins with a similar amount and type of electrolytes as Gatorade.

G2 Gatorade - It has the same amount of sugar as regular Gatorade and nearly all the same ingredients and electrolytes.

Gatorade Fierce Green Apple Sports Drink - This may be the "green gatorade" that members spoke of. It contains malic acid, the active ingredient in apple cider vinager which has proved so helpful to other members. Other ingredients are the same.

Isopure Zero Carbs - No sugar, with some calcium. Contains Malic acid
Isopure Mass - With sugar and proteins, with calcium, Contains Malic acid
Isopure zero carb with proteins - no sugar, contains proteins. With calcium Contains Malic acid

Sparkybird - I’ve found that Pur Aqua Sparkling Frost in any flavor has malic acid. I discovered it by accident. It is only 50 cents at Aldi’s. It is only 10 calories a bottle.
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L-theanine
L-theanine is an amino acid precursor to glutamate (involved in the synthesis of GABA) and glutamine. It can cross the blood brain barrier. It is only produced by plants and fungi and a component in some teas. It inhibits glutamine transporters and glutamate transporters, and thus blocks the reuptake of glutamine and glutamate. Theanine increases serotonin, dopamine, GABA, and glycine levels in various areas of the brain. Caution – Most plants that contain L-theanine also contain caffeine and it can be a significant contaminant in L-theanine supplements. It is synthesized from glutamate using the enzyme glutamate decarboxylase and pyridoxal phosphate (which is the active form of vitamin B6) as a cofactor. This process converts glutamate, the principal excitatory neurotransmitter, into the principal inhibitory neurotransmitter (GABA).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theanine
Member's comments
(puritan's pride) 200 mg capsules 2- 3/ day. I have been taking this prior to cymbalta detox. It helped me reduce my dosage of clonazepam. Within 20-30 mins I feel more calm. I do believe it is helping keep the anxiety in check.
Tinabee - For now I have started taking fish oil and a supplement called Theanine Serene that is supposed to help with anxiety. I know it sounds silly since I've only taken the anxiety supplement for a couple days but I really feel like it has helped.
200mg L-Theanine in the morning with a full glass of water on an empty stomach, you can take again in late afternoon 100 to 200 mg if needed (make sure it is suntheanine - it helps with headaches and pain as any painkiller I had just did not cut it)
Member's comments were generally favorable.

http://www.cymbaltaw...page-2?hl=helps
Page 1 and 2, detailed information on L theanine and its usage.
Research
The research shows that all green tea leaves contain both L-theanine and D- theanine BUT only the special processing used by the manufacturer produces pure L-Theanine and is the choice of many of the research biologists.


Five of the six products contained significant amounts of D-theanine. Only one product, SunTheanine, appeared to contain only the L-theanine enantiomer. D-theanine is not used by the humnn body. Suntheanine is the pure ingredient and that is what you want.

Key Points
Theanine increases serotonin, dopamine, GABA, and glycine levels in various areas of the brain.
Scientific Information
A National Standard monograph that reviews current research on theanine reports that it is likely safe in doses of 200–250 mg up to a maximum daily dose of 1,200 mg. Theanine is used to help with anxiety, blood pressure control, mood, and cognition.
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                             Nutritional Blood Tests for Causes for Anxiety and/or Depression.
Items proceeded by an asterisk are analysis that are routinely performed by many Psychiatrists. Those proceeded by two astericks are ones that members have found to cause anxiety and/or depression.

Omega 3 and 6
Amino Acids
to include...
**Tryptophan
Threonine
Isoleucine
Methionine
Phenylalanine
Tyrosine

Vitamins
to include...
C
** *D
E
*B vitamins (**B-6)


Minerals
Calcium
Iron
**Magnesium
Potassium
Sodium
**Zinc
Manganese
**Selenium

Lipid Profile
Cholesterol
Triglycerides

Misc.
Choline
Flouride

Psychiatrists also often perform the following tests
**Testosterone
**Estrogen
*Thyroid Function
*Liver Function - (FH - The AD manufacturers usually recommend an annual Liver Function Test (LFT) to keep an eye on that issue.
Parathyroid Function
Pituitary Function

An increasing number of psychiatrists are also opting to do a genetic screening for genetic mutations.
https://genesight.co...CFdC3wAodswYJSw
https://genomind.com...idepressants-2/
https://www.psycholo...ssion-treatment
http://mayoresearch....ene-testing.asp
https://www.pathway....th-dna-insight/
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Prescription Meds

Clonidine
Clonidine (Catapres, Kapvay, Nexiclon, Clophelin) is a classic blood pressure medicine BUT it is very effective on anxiety. It is an alpha adrenergic antagonist which means it stimulates the alpha adrenaline synapses located in the frontal lobes of the brain. When these synapses are stimulated by the clonidine the brain thinks that it is due to adrenaline and it tells the adrenal gland to produce less adrenaline. It is a little slow to kick in, about an hour and a half. It has a 12 hour half life. Most drs prescribe 0.1 mg twice a day. One to be taken about an hour before bedtime and the other in the morning. Because it decreases adrenaline it has a strong calming effect which helps a person get to sleep and stay a sleep. It is not unusual for people to have a little drowsiness from clonidine until they get use to it (1 or 2 weeks). It does NOT work faster sublingual (under the tongue) like benzos. These have no withdrawal but your blood pressure may spike for a couple weeks if you cold turkey. Due to the lowering of blood pressure and sleepiness it is common for the patient to start with ½ tablet at bedtime. Once the patient adjusts to the medicine they begin a ½ tablet in the morning. As sleepiness and blood pressure stabilize they are slowly worked up to the 2 tablets (0.1 mg each) a day.
Begins working 60 to 90 minutes
Peak levels – 3 to 5 hrs
Half Life – 12 - 16 hrs
There are too many research articles on clonidine's anxiolytic properties to list here.
FH - I started clonidine but it was a relief to me NOT to be able to feel my heart pound through my chest. As long as your bp is OK you shouldn't have a problem.
That is why the slow start up. This gives your heart a chance to adapt to the new med. I did the same slow start up and my bp stayed within normal range. Just keep monitoring your bp and you should be OK.
FN - clonidine worked wonders for me

Hydroxyzine, (Vistaril, Atarax) - is an H(1)R antagonist, is very effective against anxiety in most people but some get no help from it at all. It is not addictive nor does it have withdrawal but it also can lower blood pressure some but that usually goes away with time. This medicine should be started slowly to give your body a chance to adjust to the blood pressure effect. Normal dose is 25 mg four times a day but can go as high as 400mg/day.
Begins working in 30 minutes or less
Peak levels - 2 hrs
Half Life – 15 to 20 hrs
Do not take with cimetidine as it increases hydroxyzine levels in the blood.

https://www.mayoclin...se/drg-20311434
(Mayo Clinic)
For oral dosage forms (capsules or suspension):
⦁ To help control anxiety and tension:
⦁ Adults—50 to 100 milligrams (mg) 4 times a day.

Atenolol is a beta 1 adrenergic receptor antagonist, also known as a beta blocker. It does not pass through the blood brain barrier which limits its side effects compared to other beta blockers. It has been linked to a higher risk of type 2 diabetes. It may cause drowsiness and lower blood pressure. Typical dosage around 25 mg four times/day. Dosage should be slowly increased.
Begins working in 30 minutes to an hour
Peak levels – 2 – 4 hrs
Half Life – 6 - 8 hrs
SF - So now I am on one. It is called Atilonol (Atenolol?) and calms down your heart rate too.

Buspirone (Buspar) is a seratonin 5-HT1A receptor partial agonist and a dopamine antagonist at the receptors. It functions as a weak anti-anxiety medication similar to diazepam in strength (a weak benzo). No withdrawal or tolerance issues. Dosage should be kept low if taking a ssri and/or snri or St. John's Wort as it may cause seratonin syndrome. DO NOT take with grapefruit or grapefruit juice. May lower blood pressure. Typical dosage is 10 to 20 mg three times per day.
Begins working 3 to 7 days after begin dosing
Peak levels - 1 hrs
Half Life – 2 - 4 hrs
https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/22998742
Buspar (15mg) and Melatonin (3 mg) yielded the best anti-depressant effect of any combination concentration tested. (See Melatonin below)
https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/25156283
Buspar and melatonin in combination is anxiolytic.
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                                                                                  Dos and Don'ts

DON'T ...

take Omeprazole (Prilosec)
Significant drug interactions.
omeprazole ↔ citalopram
Applies to omeprazole and Celexa (citalopram)
Talk to your doctor before using citalopram together with omeprazole. Combining these medications may increase the blood levels of citalopram and increase the risk of certain side effects, including an irregular heart rhythm that may be serious or life-threatening.
Caution - Omeprazole causes the increased absorbtion of nearly 500 medications. It should NOT be taken with.....
Benzos, Atenolol, Celexa, Lexapro and many other ssri and snri, st. john's wort, etc.

 

take St. John's Wort, 5HTP, tryptophan, SAMe, Dextromethorphan (a cough syrup/cold medicine) with an antidepressant - Serotonin Syndrome.

 

Don't take Stimulants (Makes anxiety worse)
Caffeine
Over-the-counter cold preparations contain phenylpropylamine and pseudoephedrine*
Sleep deprivation
Marijuana*
Magnesium*
MSG
Alcohol
Stress
amphetamines
ecstasy
nicotine
Ginseng
L-Tyrosine
B Vitamins*
aspartame
Coconut Oil
Taurine
DHEA
Ginkgo
Iodine
Arginine
Sugar
Kava
* - Only some people have this reaction.

Things containing caffeine..
Coffee, Espresso, Cappuccino, some Teas, Low calorie, non-cola soda containing aspartame, Low calorie colas containing aspartame or saccharine, Energy drinks, Some types of alcoholic drinks.
Chocolate ....Baking, Dark, Sweet and semisweet, Pudding, Cereals, Fudge , Milk chocolate, Syrup, Mousse, Soymilk, Fat free cookies, Cookies, Cake, Frozen Yogurt, Ice cream, Frosting, and Shakes .
Java Pops, Chai Mints, Green Tea, Warp Mints, Penguin mints, and cinnamons. Caffeinated Energy Strips, Caffeinated Fruity Lollipops, HyDrive Energy Chews, Caffeinated Nixie Tubes, Foosh Energy Mints, Atomic Energy Bites, Buzz Bites, KickBricks, Energy Chews, Reload Energy Strips, Movit Gummies, Caffeinated jellybeans, Morning Spark, Oatmeal, Sumseeds (caffeinated sunflower seeds), Lightning Rods (beef sticks), Engobi "Energy Go Bites" (crispy snacks), Jolt Gum, Blitz Energy Gum, Think Gum Stay Alert, Vibe Black, Black Go Fast!, Dozens and dozens of herbal supplements.
https://www.caffeine...ffeine-database
List of energy drinks with caffiene. (over 100)

take Depressants (Makes depression worse)

Oxalic acid is found in members of the spinach family and cabbage, broccoli, brussels sprouts, chives and lamb's quarters are high in oxalates, as are sorrel and parsley. Rhubarb leaves contain about 0.5% oxalic acid.
Can cause depression, lack of minerals, kidney stones, and more. Cooking does not affect oxalic acid. People with kidney disease, a history of kidney stones or suffer from depression should avoid these foods.

other depressants:
Aspartame
Gluten
High Fat Dairy
Sugar
alcohol
Trans fats
Sodium
Caffeine
Pesticide residue on foods
GHB
exposure to organic solvents (paint, varnish, stains, cleaning solvents, paint thinner, etc).

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Do

take 500 mg of vitamin C per day or 300 mg of NAC - (N-acety cysteine) an antioxidant

learn Cognative Behavioral Therapy or Mindfulness

sleep as much as possible

Keeping a Journal - Don't trust your memory during withdrawal.

[sparkybird]

I don’t know what the heck is going on, but I have had serious anxiety and headaches all day. 34 days I should be free of withdrawal symptoms. I was free for a week and now its like I dropped a bead but I’m still at 15. Got me concerned big time.

[fishinghat]

This is really unusual. I have racked my brain and it just doesn't make sense.

Sparkybird (I just love that name!!) are you keeping a journal? I was wondering if during this 34 day period if the good periods are getting longer and the bad periods shorter.

By the way did you read that info I posted on this thread about what has worked for other people? The green Gatorade which contains malic acid seemed to help a lot of people with the headaches and even some with the anxiety.

[sparkybird]

Glad you like the name. That was the name of my Amazon Parrot. Quite a character.

Yes, I read through the thread. I have that saved and in the past read it several times during bad times.

I am drinking drinks with malic acid but don’t have all the sugar and calories.

I might add that as I was driving home from shopping (should have not been on the road) I got so bad I pulled off at a rest stop and got candy. (Peanut butter cup). That made the anxiety subside until I made it home.

The anxiety might be due to the pill and not withdrawal. Yesterday I had it, took an l-theanine and it subsided. Today I took the L-theanine at 11 am and by 11:30 taking another. It’s 3 pm and I took another L-theanine.

I don’t want to head to the doctor because they know zero except put me on another pill. The’re the ones that got me on this to begin with.

If there was a medical group that could help me, I’d go. But can’t find anything searching the internet.

Maybe tomorrow I’ll be ok. If not I think it is the pill.

[fishinghat]

Ok, I am a dumbee. "The pill"? Are you talking birth control pill?

Oh yea, I knew about the Pur Aqua Sparkling Frost. Duhh.

[sparkybird]

LOL. At 72 I don’t think so. What I meant by “pill” is another pill to combat anxiety and headache.

I’m trying the Zantac and see if that helps. The L-theanine just wasn’t doing the trick today.

I’m actually starting to feel half human tonight.

Still have to laugh about the “pill”. LOL

[sparkybird]

Fishinghat and Gail,

Thought you would like an update. Took a Zantac about 7 pm. Then before I went to bed I took a Benadryl to help with my sleep. Slept off an on all night waking this morning with depression, muscle aches and crawly feeling. It lasted till about 11 am. No depression and no anxiety for the rest of the day! Can’t figure it out. Hopefully the rest of the week goes well. I was almost at the end of my rope and almost called the 800 number for help with drug abuse. Although I’m not abusing drugs. ITS abusing ME!

And, yes, in answere to your question “am I keeping a journal”. I certainly am and it’s getting pretty thick.

Again, thanks for your help and your prayers.