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#301 chimera

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 03:33 PM

chimera

 

I have always found when it comes to cravings for healthy foods there usually is a reason for it so why not indulge it.

 

It will be nice to be able to plan a proper meal without having to deal with my thoughts being "why couldn't we just have yams", or like today when all I want is mushrooms, pineapple and  now yams too.  LOL

exactly, it can do no harm! lol meals dictated round cravings, yes that'll be nice when that doesn't happen anymore. My mother has balked at me asking tentatively if we can have beans. again. 'for God's sake, not again!!' she made me a serving to go with the salad and veg lol:(


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 03:47 PM

You are right Nancy. Cymbalta can cause the estrogen to rise in both men and women. That ia why the sore swollen boobs. Once off of the cymbalta the hormones (both) typically return to normal levels for your age within 8 to 10 weeks. There are some exceptions to that in both men and women. I remember in men the permanent loss of  testosterone production was around 1% and if I remember right the permanent elevated estrogen was a little less than that in women. 


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:30 AM

Pickles!


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:37 AM

Day 27, pretty good, but for the last day or two and now, muscles keep fluttering. Weird, and at times annoying but tolerable until they start twitching. Going back to bed. Oh, sometimes I feel like the horse, and sometimes I feel like the dog.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:12 AM

Pickles are too salty and salt increases anxiety so don't eat too many pickles lol.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:35 AM

Pickles!

I could murder a gherkin now you've said that lol


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:07 PM

1) Very strange sensaions in hands, face with burning/cold sensations on skin

2) Severe Insomnia

3) Diziness and vertigo

4) Very high anxiety

5) Sensitivity to sound and light

6) Crying jags

7) Face and lip tingling and numbness

8) Feeling cold

9) Feeling trapped/at the end of my rope/suicidial thoughts


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:55 PM

Hang in there Maudelady

If things get too bad get some help.

Just keep telling yourself that it is the drug that is causing all this. It helped me to remember that.

Do you have any L-theanine yet? It helps with the moods and emotions.

Drink lots of water and try to rest whenever you can. Pace when you need too.

 

Take care of you


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:32 AM

Thank you! I think I just experienced the brain zap while sleeping. It felt like something went "pop" in my head a few times and each time it jolted me so badly I almost fell out of bed. I started taking the Omega-3, but I haven't gotten to the store yet. I'm going to try to make it out today, but I don't know if I will be able to. If not I will send my boyfriend out to get the rest of the supplements. Last night was a bad night, I had to keep moving to feel like I wasn't going to go crazy...I'm so full of anxiety, so if it keeps up I will call my doctor today and see what she has to say. I'm dreading the withdrawl symptoms I had yesterday...some deep breathing help a bit last night and also I had some leftover draminine...sleep helps...when the "brain zapping" is not happenening....


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:14 AM

Maudelady

Needing to pace and move around is very common while stopping Crapalta. The drug can cause anxiety and if you had anxiety before taking it then anxiety will be a side effect when stopping it. I found that the L-theanine helped some but my doctor gave me hydroxyzine which helps with the anxiety and the itching and other strrange skin reactions.

The high doses of omega 3 and lots of water help with the zaps.

Hang in there dear

You can do it.


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 03:42 PM

A little over 2 months now...

 

Brain zaps have more or less stopped.

Creativity is coming back.

I don't seem to be raging as much but that could be because I've scared enough people away from talking to me.

 

Body aches, particularly in my hips and shoulders are still prominent but diminishing.  As I was laying in bed reading last night I noticed that I was... comfortable. That the sheets felt good against my skin for the first time in ages.

My tastes seem to have changed. I hope it's not permanent... Everything tastes like soapy pennies and I've started picking tomatoes (my favorite fruit) off my salads and out of my hoagies. I'm also no longer quite so fond of the sharp taste of a dill pickle.

 

I'm pretty sure this is a change in formulation in my dishwashing detergent, but my clean glasses all smell like an overweight, middle aged, church lady now... And I can't get the smell to go away... The reason I think this is a change in formulation is that my husband commented on it too, but I changed brands and the smell is still there.


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 05:49 PM

Oh the things that change when we stop the Crapalta. I can really related to how things taste.

 

For a month I ate with a plastic fork and spoon otherwise the food tasted like metal. That has stopped finally so I have hope that the other smells and tastes will return to normal eventually.

 

I have had 2 almost full bars of my favorite belgium dark chocolate in my frig for the last month and a half. Hubbie bought them for me as a treat and I took a little bit out of one. It tasted awful. I am hoping that will change on the other hand most sweets have very little appeal to me now so who knows. 

 

Anyone else have things that taste wierd or unpleasant now :wacko:


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 11:10 PM

I would love to power nap.......but I work full time, single mom...no nap time :(    I think quitting smoking with the Crapalta created MAJOR insomnia. Ugh. I'm better, but still need more. I'm still doing the Benedryl thing...off the Xanax. You guys rock, have I told you that?


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 03:30 AM

I don't smoke or have kids, and as the posting time will say, it's around 3:28 am here. 


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 11:26 PM

I don't smoke either...LOL....but get some rest!


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 07:55 PM

Who knew that one little Abilify pill 9 days ago could cause side effects.

 

I feel like I did when I stopped the Crapalta :( .

 

Nauseated, headaches, dizzy, hot and cold, small brain zaps when I move my eyes, light sensitivity and body pains :wacko: .

 

This is horrible, I've already been through all this.


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Posted 27 May 2013 - 01:07 PM

Who knew that one little Abilify pill 9 days ago could cause side effects.

 

I feel like I did when I stopped the Crapalta :( .

 

Nauseated, headaches, dizzy, hot and cold, small brain zaps when I move my eyes, light sensitivity and body pains :wacko: .

 

This is horrible, I've already been through all this.

sounds like you're in withdrawal from that one pill :( probably usually, had you not just been through Crapalta withdrawal, it might not have hit you so hard. but am guessing it just kind of threw your (only just!) recovering brain into thinking it's Crapalta withdrawal again. extra sensitivity. yucks, hopefully it'll just be a very small temporary setback


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Posted 27 May 2013 - 02:27 PM

sounds like you're in withdrawal from that one pill :( probably usually, had you not just been through Crapalta withdrawal, it might not have hit you so hard. but am guessing it just kind of threw your (only just!) recovering brain into thinking it's Crapalta withdrawal again. extra sensitivity. yucks, hopefully it'll just be a very small temporary setback

 

Thanks Chimera - I think you are right on with this.

 

Not quite so bad today so far. The nausea isn't pleasant but can handle it. I could really do without the fuzzy, zappy head thing :blink: .

 

There should be a big caution sign about trying anything new before 12 weeks off Crapalta :angry: as I was already past the 6 weeks off.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 10:50 AM

Nancy: That's terrible. I'm glad I didn't give in and try the Paxil my friend was suggesting.

 

BTW, Thank you for being there and responding to everything everyone says. I think this forum is important, but it's lightly populated. You make me feel like I'm not simply shouting at the wind.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 11:42 AM

Thank you OffMyMeds

 

I was the type who was often overlooked for many years and don't want anyone to feel like they are not being heard, especially when trying to get off this terrible drug.

 

We all need to know that we are not alone and to feel supported on this journey.

 

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 04:47 PM

Thanks Chimera - I think you are right on with this.

 

Not quite so bad today so far. The nausea isn't pleasant but can handle it. I could really do without the fuzzy, zappy head thing :blink: .

 

There should be a big caution sign about trying anything new before 12 weeks off Crapalta :angry: as I was already past the 6 weeks off.

this must feel like Groundhog Day to you right now, fuzzy head II 'The Return', shudder. 

hopefully every day will be a little bit better. and we thank you for doing us this service (not happily I know!) of showing us NOT to try anything new before the 12 weeks. this is a point that none of us would maybe have considered, now we know.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 04:50 PM

Nancy: That's terrible. I'm glad I didn't give in and try the Paxil my friend was suggesting.

 

BTW, Thank you for being there and responding to everything everyone says. I think this forum is important, but it's lightly populated. You make me feel like I'm not simply shouting at the wind.

thank goodness you didn't, no no no to Paxil, trust me. 12 years trying to come off, you were most wise not to give in.


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:55 AM

I was taking 90 mg of cymbalta for fibromyalgia along with methadone and lyrica.  I have cut my dose of methadone in half now and have been cutting back my cymbalta one pill at a time.  It's been about a month or so and finally three days ago I stopped taking it all together.  While taking 30 mg. I experienced vertigo for about three days, I have never experienced vertigo before.  I am still waking up with nausea every day but today I have been crying since I got up.  I have no reason to cry, my marriage is better than it's ever been, my kids are happy and healthy and my grandbabies are great.  I live in Florida where the weather is beautiful all the time.  So the only thing I can point to is the Cymbalta.  Now I'm not sure whether to hang in there without it or start taking it again.  Thanks for all the posts, I thought I was losing my mind until I found this forum.


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:15 AM

You are experiencing the side effects of discontinuing.

The emotions range from crying to irritable to angry and back during the withdrawal period.

That side effect is very common so the choice is yours. 

You could try lowering your dose by emptying 1/2 of the beads from a capsule and see if that helps.

There are many ways to get off this med as you will see on this site. There is no right or wrong way from 30mg.

There is also 20mg capsules which for some reason hardly anyone knows about lol.

 

Let us know how we can help

 

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 03:22 PM

I was taking 90 mg of cymbalta for fibromyalgia along with methadone and lyrica.  I have cut my dose of methadone in half now and have been cutting back my cymbalta one pill at a time.  It's been about a month or so and finally three days ago I stopped taking it all together.  While taking 30 mg. I experienced vertigo for about three days, I have never experienced vertigo before.  I am still waking up with nausea every day but today I have been crying since I got up.  I have no reason to cry, my marriage is better than it's ever been, my kids are happy and healthy and my grandbabies are great.  I live in Florida where the weather is beautiful all the time.  So the only thing I can point to is the Cymbalta.  Now I'm not sure whether to hang in there without it or start taking it again.  Thanks for all the posts, I thought I was losing my mind until I found this forum.

well done to you for doing this, specially with the methadone cutting on top. hang in there, the crying is definitely down to your withdrawals.


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Posted 10 June 2013 - 01:53 AM

I just got weaned from 60 mg a day to 20 mg a day.  I broke pills in half for a week, and I have two 20 mg on standby.  I went in and told my Dr. that I spent the whole last summer and winter on the couch.  The depression got worse.  How long does this take to be free of this stuff?  
Depression worsened 
Lethargy
Numb, no feelings
Lack of motivation, excitement about anything
Isolation/agoraphobic, I didn't want to be seen 
Irritability 
Trouble sleeping
Rage w/no brakes
Agitation/Irritable
Overall health declined: sick frequently
Sweating
Dizziness worsened
Weight gain
Memory problems
Concentration problems
Vision problems-sparkly things in my vision
Ear ringing, like someone banging on pots and pans

Withdrawal Symptoms: 
Headaches
Brain “zaps”
Dizziness
Disoriented
Numb fingers
Runny nose
Hot flashes/Sweats are milder and less often
Mood Swings getting less and less 
Cold chills: Shivering accompanied by chest and abdominal muscle tightening
Memory problems
Concentration problems
Nightmares - just started last night, 6/8/13
Body aches/Arthritis pain is back, neck, hips, one shoulder.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 11:31 AM

It takes roughly 6 weeks to get this crap out of the blood stream. However it stores itself in our fat deposits on the body so there is residual amounts that can be released at various times and they have no idea how long that can happen for. The good news is this doesn't happen to most people.

I sympathize on the side effects. The worst is over by 18 days off this crap. Most people feel more or less back to normal in 4 to 6 weeks. Some do have side effects up to 12 weeks. Unfortunately there is the rare small percentage who suffer longer and for those that do there is no answer as to for how long.

If you are feeling good at 4 to 6 weeks then that is great.

 

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 01:52 PM

chest pains, palpitations and nausea. have had this gradually building up for a week, today it reached bad levels. I started shaking, shivering,

with a feeling of a heavy weight on my chest, I was 'air hungry' but my heart felt like it would burst. dr put it down to panic attack/severe stress,

not had that feeling since my father died, I can barely stomach anything. my heart raced so much. he gave me some Propanalol, given me

a bit of a headache.


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Posted 24 June 2013 - 02:20 PM

Oh Chimera you are really joining fishinghat and I with the anxiety.

I am so sorry that it is happening to you too.

 

I truly hope this is just a temporary thing for you and doesn't become a constant companion like it has for me.

I am still taking Hydroxyzine but I don't think it helps all that much but afraid not to take it in case it is helping.

The heart pounding so hard that it feels like it is going to burst is very upsetting and I have learned to go and sit or lay down and take long slow breaths through my nose only to help slow it down.

Pay close attention to how you feel on the Propanalol because it can cause some depression (like you need that). I don't see that it can cause headaches but I often have headaches after a bout of anxiety or a panic attack.

 

And people wonder why we hate Crapalta and want it off the market.

 

Take care of you :hug:


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Posted 24 June 2013 - 04:56 PM

thank you Nancy. I will monitor the Propanolol carefully, I don't want to be on it any longer than I have to. 

sorry guys, I have to let this out, I am desperate. there's no one I can talk to right now, it's late evening here, I keep crying and I can't settle.

I don't want to distress anyone on here or make them worse.

maybe if I put it down, I'll get some peace, I don't know. worth a shot, even if no one reads this, it'll be out. 

seafaring bf and me are over. long story but it's the 'aren't you better yet' type syndrome, it's like all the past 6 months haven't happened. 

I'm being 'unreasonable', anything that I raise with him (I check with mother/carer first now before I say anything, to check I am not being

unreasonable/irrational first) is 'not to be discussed'. 

a chatsite that we both use-non medical, just normal chat- is where I have most online friends. there's been a lot of bullying for want of a better

word, on and off for 5 years. normally when it's been in my direction, I can handle it better. obviously this last 6 months, I can't, specially as it was

particularly bad last year. the only reason I stayed was I had some good people on there, so it was outweighing the bad at the time.

this week it all kicked off. stupid, pointless, mindless sniping and bullying from a few. given the eviction problem looming from my flat with my mother,

this could not have come at a worse time, plus also as you all know, I am still not fully recovered from the Cymbalta. 

bf did not understand why I was getting so upset. I kept trying to tell him. if I got angry about it, he seemed shocked, almost disgusted? and unfortunately

the more shocked he seemed, the more upset I got. he had to go away for a course last week, so wasn't here and couldn't come to see me. he got back on Thursday night, and was tired. I understood that, and he said he'd come today. he went to a pub/club on Friday. I was a bit taken aback as thought he was tired,

but he has hardly been out in 6 months, so fair enough. I stayed on the chatsite to keep up a front that all was ok and none of us were 'beaten' by the problem people, as instructed to by him- 'learn to live with it, post as normal'. 

obviously I was on edge with it all, so when I saw a Facebook post saying he'd checked into a club, I was 'eek!' I didn't say anything though. I just got drunk lol.

just to make it all go away, as I didn't know what time he'd be in, he usually texts to tell me he's going onto a club and I was worried. it's a meat market and a woman of dubious morals was accompanying the group! plus bf was drunk. so yes I hold my hands up, I was worried and uneasy and feeling sad and lonely. 

next day I said gently, had the situation been reversed, would he not have been a bit worried? it was gently said. he got angry, and said it was not to be discussed further.

that did it:/ I closed my facebook account, closed the chat site account, and told him it was over. he said he wasn't even going to try to reason with me.

today I rang him (this won't go off bold lettering, sorry, I keep clicking and it won't go back to normal) to see if we could at least talk, plus he has stuff here that needs collecting.

he shouted at me so badly, said for an intelligent woman in her 30s, did I have no idea of what a relationship was, that I should've trusted him, that he'd been walking on eggshells with me for weeks, that it was difficult for him, that this was all my fault, unreasonable, with stupid ideas and that I look 'daft' if I got angry on the site. 

it was the first time he'd shouted at me, the contempt and hatred in his voice made me shrivel up and want to die. I had said to him months ago when he gets angry/impatient, I do not react well to it due to my father having done this a lot to me as a child; serious shouting and rage, he was actually pretty psychotic it turned out years later. 

that was it, I said ok bye quietly, and then just kind of self imploded. shivering, shaking, the heart thing, as said above. I trusted him, he was my one friend who I thought I could rely on. this last week, he has almost been like he hates me. 

I keep going over 'you're a woman in your 30s', 'stupid', 'irrational' in my head. he thinks I'm mad. it makes me want to be sick:( I never shouted at him, not once. I only tried to make him see that I couldn't handle stuff right now. I feel so ashamed, so dirty. and yes, I do feel like a child, not a woman now, I keep cringing and cowering and squirming. I feel like dirt. 

I just want to crawl away and die.





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