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[fishinghat]

It will get better LaVana. It really will. I know it has been a long time in coming but it will improve. Keep track of how many "good" hours a day you have and in a couple weeks you will see that that number is slowly but surely improving. That will give you reassurance and hope my friend.

[invalidusername]

Hi LV...

 

So sorry to hear of your ongoing fight. It is SO tough and it really messes with our brains so much.

 

I remember wishing it would just stay low because I would haven't to deal with the good days turning bad. Might sound crazy but in the end I just had to accept it. 

 

What Hat says is something I also did. I made graphs as well!! But I could at least see what was happening.

 

But my therapist told me that I should "rate" my mood every hour, which is what I was doing, as it kept my focus on "how do I feel now/? How about now?!", and you get fixed on it, so it went to morning, afternoon, evening and night and a section for notes.

 

Again, I am so sorry you are going through all this - still thinking of you,

 

IUN

[LeVana]

thanks to you both! but i don't think i'll ever get well again. so much time has passed.

most days of the week i can't leave the house. what a sad life dulox WD gave me.

and why...why i'm so full of WD anger inspite of taking escitalo?

[invalidusername]

I tell you - life can sure suck sometimes and it really makes you wonder why it happens to you. It can be so difficult to see how you are going to get through it.

 

Yesterday a client asked for his computer drive which had a load of really important recovered file - and I have been turning my flat upside down - I can't find it anywhere. I don't know what to do. Then today I was repairing a 2020 MacBook and I closed the lid having left a small screw on the keyboard - screen totally broke and now I have to find about £250 for a new screen!! Everything is going wrong! 

 

But I understand that you are seriously taken in by all this withdrawal stuff and we have seen so many over the year. There is one member I am trying to remember who had similar situations to you and she was convinced that she would never be well again, but after a few months of absence from the forum, she came back and told us that she was feeling so much better. I will try to find the thread as it may really help you.

 

Thinking of you my dear LV...

 

IUN

[invalidusername]

I have found it...It is a pretty long and detailed read but this member went through more than 2 years of so many issues, but she has made it. 

 

https://www.cymbalta...y-options-left/

 

You are equally as strong as Lyla and one day, hopefully sooner rather than later, the same will happen for you. She has recently come back with things turned around for her. I just thought that this might help as when you feel so low, it really helps to read of others in a similar situation. I am not saying that it is likely to take as long as Lyla's recovery as it was very complex.

 

There are so many stories on here with successful endings - Hat's and mine included. 

 

We have both hit rock bottom never to think we would get out the other side, but somehow it finds a way.

 

Stay strong dear LV - I will always be here for you...

 

IUN

<3

[LeVana]

update: little improvement for a few hours a week

my symptoms score decreased from 10 (bad) to 7. not as much as I expected after this long time

still can't work or live normally

greetz

[fishinghat]

I have to admit that you are really going through exceptionally hard withdrawal. God bless that you have at least seen some minimal improvement. I pray that you can hang in there. Be strong.

[LeVana]

yes, unfortunately. maybe because of dulox long term use. and i still feel worse after each intake of escitalo: teeth chattering, muscle cramps / dystonia become worse and i start crying. messes with dopamine, i think.

[fishinghat]

sounds like you need to come off of it but it would be tough to go through that right now.

[invalidusername]

Hey LV...

 

Although it is difficult to see, that is a 30% improvement which is great! If anything, it confirms to you that you CAN improve, it is just the harsh reality that has taken a while to get this far. 

 

As Hat said, it might not be the best idea to withdraw from Escitalopram right now, but you could really do without those side effects as they will be a consistent reminder. I would like to think that now your system has found a route to getting you a little better that more improvements will ensue.

 

As always, thinking of you - and please keep us up to date.

 

IUN

[invalidusername]

Hi guys....

 

This seems to be the "go-to" place on the forum, so I thought I would check in to see how you were all doing?

 

@LV - have you seen any more positive waves since we last spoke? I sincerely hope so. This is how it all starts, regardless of how slow they come about, but as I said, the biggest things to focus on is the fact that your system CAN show improvement, and it has. You really need to keep this in mind and expect another upshift in due course if it hasn't presented itself already. I am still so very proud of you for going through all of this. It is an inspiration to all who read this. You will be surprised of you look at the stats just how many people are following your progress. You are giving other hopes. A lot of people do not become members - for their own reasons - but find hope by periodically coming back to seeing how YOU are doing. Keep going my dear - we are all here for you.

 

@Hat - I know just how strong you are and would have been in touch with me for any major issues, so I hope all is well with your and the Mrs. You are always in my thoughts and prayers. Just like LV, you had a long long road to hoe, but you got there, plus all the legal nonsense that you had to endure. Never let go of that. You are an amazing soul pull of God's grace and will always be my brother in Christ.

 

Where is our dear Scottish friend?! I need to look for his own forum....

 

Just to let you all know that LDN who finds it difficult to find the time to post has come a LONG LONG way. 

 

If you remember when he first came here, he could not even step outside his front door for fear of anxiety - and he had been that way for years. I am glad to let you know that he has improved exponentially. For example, this weekend, he took a train from his family's "holiday" home in Somerset and took a train with four bags to the centre of London (some 2 hour journey), then a cab to their London home - the yesterday, took another train to an old friend's wedding with people he hadn't seen in years, lots of music which was previous sensory overload - stayed for a meal (which eating in public was another issue) and was out of his comfort zone for almost 12 hours! 

 

He then took a ride all the way back home at 11pm to the country home and collapsed. He really has come a long long way. It just shows what can occur over time.

 

Now my selfish time - I am doing... "ok", but I feel like a relapse of the quitting drinking is coming back, not a relapse as I refuse to drink to that degree, but I am sleep too much (10-11 hours a day) and my anxiety has flared up again. But I managed a coffee with an old friend in the city center and then a visit to another old friend. Problem was they all spoke about my visa issue and wife's mental heath which I REALLY could have done without. So my anxiety was through the roof, but I continued all the same. So today is a day off - my body and mind need it as it can easily become to a depressive state. We all just need to see these as waves that DO pass. Nothing lasts for ever. It can't rain all the time....

 

My love to you all and to all who are anonymously following this post.

 

IUN

[LeVana]

oh, IUN, so happy to read your post. please, be strong and brave in fighting against the evil drug alcohol. you coped with a lot of problems, but it's over and done!! you're resilient and tough :-) i think, it's no mistake to sleep for 10 hours...maybe you need this right now and it will change by itself when your mental state becomes more stable.

i actually get windows and waves nearly every other day. yesterday anxiety 24/7 with permanent crying spells and today i was able to go for a walk...and made a strawberry cake with my brain damaged head 🤓 but these good days are rare: one per week or sometimes every two weeks. most days ranging from "a fxxxcking nightmare today" to "i can deal with it".

my dystonia is becoming less and less, but new symptoms like teeth chattering or nose cramps occured.

i will update til the moment i get over this worst experience the life gave to me.

thinking of you all <3

[LeVana]

Just to let you all know that LDN who finds it difficult to find the time to post has come a LONG LONG way.

If you remember when he first came here, he could not even step outside his front door for fear of anxiety - and he had been that way for years.

IUN

did he also suffered from dulox WD? and what means years? 😔

[invalidusername]

Hey LV!!!

 

Great to hear from you. Yes, alcohol can be a real nightmare. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. But I simply could not take looking after a severely mentally ill wife whilst holding down three jobs, doing all the shopping and cooking, household chores etc, whilst she stays in bed. I still have very difficult days when I feel that drink is my only way out, but it is NOT. It only serves to add to the issues. 

 

The problem is that I find sleeping for longer than usual makes me feel depressed and I have very distrurbing dreams even though I feel I could sleep for the whole day. I have to force myself awake to get past these things. 

 

I am sorry to hear of the crying spells yesterday, but a real positive that today you weere able to lead more of a normal life. 

 

One per week is OK. This is the start. Let us not forget that it is a global average that people feel "depressed" between 1-2 days a week - this is considered the norm. 1 in 7 people in the UK are on anti-depressants. So that is what I was thinking when I was walking into the city center. Counting 1,2,3,4,5,6.... they are on meds... 1,2,3,4... etc. It was shocking, but it is the truth. It is a global epidemic. 

 

I wish that my dystonia will disappear completely. But that is something we have in common. Ranging from a single limb, to whole body movements - all related to the PNES (Pseudo non-epileptic seizures) that started with Duloxetine.

 

Regarding LDN, he was on Duloxetine for a while. He became ill as a result of undiagnosed Lyme's Disease. We was bed-bound for several years - around 8-9 if I remember rightly. He was in bed most of the day during this time and would occasionally venture out into the house, but would cause him anxiety just to leave his room. Just the same as Hat has been through. I went through a period,not quite as bad, but I still couldn't leave the house.

 

When LDN stopped Dulox he did indeed have severe withdrawal which screwed him up even more and ended up going back on them - exactly the same as me, but with Citalopram. 

 

Once these drugs have got you, it can be so difficult to get rid of them. I just wish that the doctors in the UK would supply liquid citalopram (which I KNOW is available), but oh no... it is too expensive for the NHS. I offered to pay myself, but no, that is not allowed. I am sick of it!!

 

We just have to keep pressing on... as tough as it might be...

 

IUN <3

[fishinghat]

Beautiful post IUN. We are old an have our challenges right now but are getting there. I pray all is well with you and yours as well. You do so much for so many God will bless you. I can't pass up a free shot at you though!! What does "pull of God" mean?  lol  lol  lol

 

I am so glad that LDN is doing better. He is a special soul. Please tell him I said Hi and best wishes.

[invalidusername]

Hey guys...

 

Apologies to be back, but I really am at a tough spot and I need to tell people that understand.

 

I had a call at 11.30am this morning.

 

One of my closest friend died last night.

 

Found on his back in his living room by his significant other. I am in so much shock. We don't know why, how or anything, which only makes things more difficult. I was only there on Friday having a cup of tea. Everything was as normal as it has ever been... and now he, Colin, is gone.

 

I am holding onto my faith, but I just can't get my head around it. Why Colin, why now? He was a such a great guy with such a strong faith, but why was he set to go now.

 

The one positive was that I was helping him write his book about his life to date, having had a harsh upbringing, serving in the forces to then become a Christian Minister in our town travelling and spreading the Good Word. On Friday, we finished all corrections and sent it off to the printers. 10 days they will be delivered. But he never got to SEE his book in physical form. 

 

Sorry to bring this up, but you guy I know will understand.

[fishinghat]

Oh boy. What to say. All I can think of is that we are here for you. If it is any consolation, it sounds like he died quickly which is so much better than a lingering death. Also, as a minister he is ALWAYS prepared to go home to God. This is only a temporary stop on the journey of life. He is resting in God's arms now and feeling so much love and mercy. He is probably looking down at you and thinking "I am resting and get to see God. Don't morn for me, I don't want that, just celebrate the great friendship we had and still have. I will always be with you in your heart."

 

Think of how much you have been blessed by this person over the years and how much richer he has made your life.

 

Warm thoughts and prayers for you buddy. We are here anytime you need us.

[invalidusername]

Thank you so much for your reply Hat. I just needed someone to reiterate the words going round my head.

 

He gave his life to God and was prepared for his passing when it was his time, but such a sudden occurrence. 

 

True, and lovely to hear you say, that he is now Home and in the presence and wonderous love of God. I am trying my best to get on with the day knowing that he would not want me to mourn after such an amazing life in service in more ways than one.

 

I need to be there for his wife and other friends and see it as my purpose to help those who do not share the same unshakeable faith that I have been blessed with.

 

But all the same, and understandably, I am still in shock and need to come to terms with such a sudden passing.

 

Thank you so much, Hat.

 

God Bless you.   

[LeVana]

oh, IUN, how sad to hear. i want you to know, i don't believe in reincarnation or similar, but I'm sure something of us remains behind here. energy, memories, feelings. especially his book you helped him to write.

HAT said "a temporary stop on the journey of life" and I agree to 100%. we will see us again in another situation.

LV

[invalidusername]

Thank you so much LV. 

 

Really appreciate your words. Still struggling today but I am trying my best to return to work and carry on. 

 

The good thing is, that as there will need to be a postmortem, the books will arrive before the funeral. So I will be so glad to have them with me. 

 

I'm happy to hear that you also feel that we will see each other again soon. This is what holds me together at the moment.

 

IUN

[invalidusername]

Beautiful post IUN. We are old an have our challenges right now but are getting there. I pray all is well with you and yours as well. You do so much for so many God will bless you. I can't pass up a free shot at you though!! What does "pull of God" mean?  lol  lol  lol

 

I am so glad that LDN is doing better. He is a special soul. Please tell him I said Hi and best wishes.

 

@FishingHat

 

Reply from LDN to your message that I sent him above...

 

"Please thank FishingHat for his lovely words and send him my best wishes and that I said hi!"

[fishinghat]

I have tried to post this 4 times now and it just will not do it so I will try to post it in small sections. Sorry.

 

LeVana

 

I just can't stop thinking of all that you have been through and are still going through. I have compiled some things that my therapist set me up to do that has really helped. These are like a snow ball rolling down a hill. Ot starts out small and grows and becomes more productive with time.

 

I am sure you are aware of what endorphins are. Well, these techniques are designed to increase your output of these "feel good" chemicals. In addition endorphins reduce the amount of adrenaline in your blood stream. My therapist taught me these and I still use them to this date when suffering through a lot of stress.

 

 

Chocolate (unsweetened cocoa only) - One of the more unique neurotransmitters released by chocolate is phenylethylamine. This so called "chocolate amphetamine" causes endorphin levels to rise significantly.

 

Members on Cocoa - 4. all positive.

 

BRZ - my new anti anxiety drug is Lindt's 90% cocoa chocolate

 

Members on Chocolate - 18 positive comments, 6 mention dark unsweetened  chocolate, 

 

FN - for example, Lindt makes choco bars in different % ... the darkest is 90%  chocolate ... bitter, but I've gotten to love it ... big boost.

 

Boot2 - i found if i combined chocolate (i am using unsweetened health food store  kind now) and valerian- it feels like i am almost normal again...thought i;d pass  that  along.

 

Notice - The darker the chocolate/cocoa the more caffeine that it contains but also the  more phenylethylamine is has. Be cautious, many choclates contain added caffiene as  well as sugar. Avoid those. Also, a few ounces of chocolate/cocoa is all you need to  increase your endorphin production. Many members would eat a small piece of  chocolate/cocoa 2 or 3 times a day to get their boost in endorphins.

[fishinghat]

Yeah, let's try another section....

 

Meditation - 49 members tried it, 48 positive reviews and 1 negative review. 

 

Meditation has been shown to increase the production of endorphins.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.../pubmed/7669835

https://www.ncbi.nlm.../pubmed/9748098

Harte JL, Eifert GH, Smith R. The effects of running and meditation on beta-endorphin, corticotropin-releasing hormone and cortisol in plasma, and on mood. Biol Psychol. 1995;40:251–65. [PubMed]

Yadav RK, Magan D, Mehta N, Sharma R, Mahapatra SC. Efficacy of a short-term yoga-based lifestyle intervention in reducing stress and inflammation: preliminary results. J Altern Complement Med. 2012;18:662–7. [PubMed]

And more. 

 

Member tips and comments

 

CCod - Meditate daily for 20 minutes/day minimum. I use the Insight Timer app on my iPad or the Calm app. Use the Calm app if you have never tried meditation. Calm is really great if you have never meditated because she starts out with beginner instructions and short meditations that last 10minutes. It WORKS every single time. For headaches, anxiety, extreme anxiety, and yesterday, nausea got better. It is not religious or dogmatic; it's. Breathing. 

 

Uriel -  It may sound bizarre but I have been doing meditation for 15 min a day to a meditation cd and its pretty amazing how the breathing calms your whole system.

 

Butterfly - The name of the app is "Relieve Depression Hypnosis-Guided meditation and Mental Health". There is a few different ones on the app store you can try and they are free, I really liked this one. 

 

TM - I spent a few months listening to guided Mindfulness Meditation sessions at bedtime, and found it useful for winding down and falling asleep. You can find them on YouTube, on CD's, and elsewhere on the net.

 

considering - I think meditation has helped me deal with bouts of low grade depression that I've experienced in the last seven years since I've been on Cymbalta. So I would highly recommend it to anyone. But I recommend that you have a teacher, even if it's meditation CDs of teachings from Sharon Saltzberg or Pema Chodron.

 

 

Karen - The guided meditation takes my anxiety down a lot. It might not be for you, but it really helped me

Check out this site: http://www.30minutem...editation.html 

 

Shanna - Go to http://www.self-compassion.org(my psychologist recommended this resource). Download the 'Loving Kindness / Self-Compassion' meditation and the 'Soften, Soothe, Allow' meditation - they are free and they are a great way to start cutting yourself a bit of slack and help you feel a bit more on top of yourself.

 

TBS - I'd also recommend a cd set by Buddhist teacher Jack Kornfield (Not to be confused with Jack Canfield!!!) called The Inner Art of Meditation. It's a workshop he ran with talks and short meditations and probably my favorite of all time.

 

Zombie - I replaced the Cymbalta with Autogenics and Guided Meditations (not exotic meditation). My Pain Clinic has a psychologist who started me on Autogenics. I now do them daily. For guided meditations, I like this one: Susie Mantrell's Your Present: A Half-Hour of Peace. If you have access to a large library system, you will find many audio CDs on all of this so you can preview "programs" before buying CDs. Also, there are samples or mini-examples on youtube.

 

Mxpro - I highly recommend reading this book and following the guided  meditations on their schedule.

https://www.amazon.c...81621280&sr=8-3

 

Mxpro - Meditation is a practice I plan to continue, as it has been helping me greatly.

 

Note - Especially focus on meditation that is based on breathing. These take some  practice but can get to be very helpful.

[fishinghat]

Increased exposure to sunlight.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/24949966

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/26774381

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/16635689

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC2290997/

and more

 

Note - There are numerous comments from members concerning getting enough sunlight each day. About half of the posts are in reference to the Vit D3 deficiency that member is suffering from and the rest are just general comments that sunlight is good for you especially if you have depression. It is important to note that periods of high stress not only directly reduce vitamin D but tends to keep us indoors which further reduces vitamin D. 

 

Deep breathing, sighs, yawns....

These activities cause an increase in the release of dopamine, endorphins and serotonin. This fact has been used by psychologists for decades to help control anxiety, depression and sleep. By causing yourself to yawn several time over a 10 or 15 minute period it will release enough of these neurotransmitters to help relax and induce sleep. Sighs work much in the same fashion but to a lesser degree, Breathing exercises are the most effective. A good psychologist should be used to teach the most effective techniques.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.../pubmed/9551709

 

Member comments and tips -

deep breathes, breath(ing) - 22 comments all positive

 

Raven - Breathe it deep calming breaths and hold them for about 5 seconds before  slowly letting them out.

Gail - you need to breathe, yes breathe in and out slowly.

[fishinghat]

cont.

 

FH - Deep breathing. Close your eyes—and try taking deep, slow breaths— making  each breath even deeper than the last. If you have a psychologist who  could teach you  relaxation techniques, controlled breathing and heart rate, etc.  These techniques really  do work.

 

Raven - Just do you best to stay calm and use breathing techniques. My husband  and FH have given me great tips on breathing when anxiety strikes. FH because  he is a veteran and my husband because he has asthma. 

Keys to breathing:

** Take slow deep breaths (breath in deeply and slowly)

** Hold for at least 15 secs if you can

** Exhale slowly

***repeat as needed*

 

FN - What helped me the most with this was yoga ...the breathing exercises ... once learned, they can be done anywhere, anytime .... the release of the built up anxiety in my body was tremendous ... 

 

Janson - . i've learned a few breathing exercises via yoga and that helps  immensely to  calm down those nerves that are about to snap. even without  knowledge of specific  breathing exercises, just take deep full breaths with hands on your stomach and  see  your tummy rise on the breath in and then fully breath out. so simple, so  effective.

 

Lutzy - Another thing I want to mention that has been really helpful for me is the Wim Hof breathing methods. When I'm really feeling bad I will do 1-2 cycles of the breathing techniques and it usually helps a lot. 

https://video.search...70&action=click

 

Conditioned Response -

One of the methods that can have a dramatic effect on anxiety is the development of a phrase in association with breathing exercises and relaxation techniques. This usually takes time to develop but is very effective. The process is begun by selecting a phrase...say the word "easy" for example. When you notice that you begin to get too anxious then lay down, close your eyes and begin your deep breathing exercises while also doing relaxation like 'progressive relaxatiion' all the time repeating the word 'easy' in your mind. With practice this becomes very effective and the need to lay down to acheive success is not necessary. You simply stop in place, close your eyes and say the word 'easy" to yourself while relaxing and breathing deeply. You then prodeed on with your activities. This can be further used by your spouse to help you control your anxiety. If your spouse notices you becoming anxious they can simply develop a certain place she/he touches you gently as a signal that you need to stop, breath and relax. With practise this becomes automatic and can easily be done in public without drawing attention to your state of mind. The is a conditioned response so it MUST be practised until it is a reflex action to be most helpful.

Three members report using this technique with excellant results. 

[fishinghat]

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/15639542

it is suggested that melatonin exerts its analgesic actions not by binding to opioid receptor subtypes but by binding to its own receptors and increasing the release of beta-endorphin.

As well as ...

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/12579851

https://www.ncbi.nlm.../pubmed/3361078

https://www.ncbi.nlm.../pubmed/1668619

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC5038497/

and more.

 

Note - Sublingual (under the tongue) melatonin. A small dose of 0.1 to 0.5 mg is enough to help the endorphin flow and to relax the individual without causing sleepiness. 

 

Sniff some vanilla or lavender - Vanilla causes an increase in production of endorphins. This is why it can help so many with anxiety. The endorphins released when inhaling lavender creates a calming effect that may even enhance sleep and relieve depression.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC4325408/

http://www.sciencedi...221169115001033

Ward, A., & Ward, K. (2006). U.S. Patent Application 11/609,330.

 

Progressive muscle relaxation. While laying down, start at your toes, tense all the muscles as tightly as you can, then completely relax. Work your way up from your feet to the top of your head. Be aware, there are some individuals that may get more anxious when doing this because of the tightening process. Practice a few times and see if this process is right for you. 

 

Stretching. If you wake during the night do NOT fight it or panic. If you can not go to sleep in 10 to 15 minutes, get up, wake 20 or 30 feet, stretch (touch your toes or stretch your arms), walk back to bed and lay back down again. Each time you stretch and lay down your body will produce a small amount of endorphins which help the body relax.  

 

Note - This process has been fantastic for me. Especially when you are restless. The acivity part uses up some of the adrenaline in your body and then when you lay down the relaxation part releases the endorphins and causes a marked decrease in anxiety and well as restlessness. 

 

Oxygen - "Oxygen bars" are fairly common in most parts of Europe. They are widely used by patients with anxiety. The increase in oxygen in the blood steream helps relax muscles and decrease adrenaline levels. During periods of high stress the body releases large amounts of adrenaline. Adrenaline decreases blood flow to the brain and increases blood flow to the muscles to help with the fight or flight response BUT the decrease in blood flow to the brain increases paramoia, fear, panic and OCD thinking. By using oxygen therapy the oxygen content in the brain is increased and these symptoms can be reduced. This method is very effective for those who experience panic attacks. I know many people who buy the oxygen generators that old people (like me) use at home for various conditions (asthma, copd, etc). These can be used very successfully to help with anxiety symptoms both physical and mental.

 

There is more information on these and other techniques in the ebook.

[invalidusername]

Hat...

 

Just to give you a quick "tech" lesson, the forum code will not allow more than a certain amount of words per reply as it thinks it is someone, or some company, trying to spam the site. 

 

Therefore, let's say the reply you had wanted so kindly to send to LV consisted of 2000 words and the word limit per reply is 500, the it will only allow it in four separate replies. I am sure you will understand.

 

Wishing you a good weekend,

 

IUN

[LeVana]

hey guys,

you're so incredible nice! looking for so many helpful things. thanks so much to both of you!

last days I tried a lot of chocolate 75%. and I felt better with that. i dissolved 25g nips in milk...and I got in a good mood.

I'm still reading through your information.

greetz LV

[invalidusername]

Hey LV,

 

That is a great start. That is the benefit of having a forum as ours. We have collected so much information over the years and thus there is so much stuff that can be tried where it has helped other people. It always gives a sense of hope... a light at the end of the tunnel.

 

I might even try the chocolate idea myself as I have been a bit low the last few days. I spend Sunday afternoons visiting friends and it was really tough to get out of bed today and could have so easily just stayed in the flat, but I know that wouldn't have helped, so I just got myself moving.

 

Never try to swim against the time, just let it take you where it will...

 

So glad you have found something to help you LV.

 

Take care,

 

IUN

[fishinghat]

Something else to consider LeVana, both bananas and beets contain high amounts of dopamine. That may help your mental state. Every little bit helps.