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[looneytune]

Hat/IUN

 

Are gastrointestinal issues a feature of WD? Kinda tender just above the pubic bone

[fishinghat]

Absolutely. Serotonin is the most common neurotransmitter in the digestive system.

[looneytune]

Guys.....on DUL 12mg for 10 days I expect, and then down to 8mg for 10 days or so.......

 

Is there any reason I can't jump ship at 8mg, no danger to it is there,like seizures and shit?

 

I could put up with a few bad days to be clear of it.......I've only had ONE brain zap between Diazepam and DUL WD's combined

 

Whaddya think?

[fishinghat]

Given your history you would probably survive. Consider how you feel when you went from 12 to 8 and multiply it times 8 or 10. That is about how it should go BUT I would be amiss if I didn't mention that I had no withdrawal from 90 mg to the last bead but after I stopped it I went into withdrawal hell for 9 months before I gave up and went on Zoloft. Those last 3 beads or so are typically the hardest.

[looneytune]

what strength were you on and for how long?

[fishinghat]

I was on 90 mg for 5 years.

[looneytune]

Yikes!

[looneytune]

Hat....Ok to jump ship at 5mg? I don't really wanna go down the road of halving a single bead

[fishinghat]

I would say drop to 5 mg, give it a few days to see how it goes and then make a decision.

[looneytune]

hat

 

Had a relatively good 4 or 5 days...productive too,then five days ago tapered off a further 3mgs from 15mg to 12mg

 

5 days after the new taper I became all nervous and flat and head was full of all sorts of negative shit....and worry with yet again,NO HOPE

Electric skin at night in bed usually signals the onset of WD symptoms...oh, and some ectopic palps....this normal?

 

Is a 3mg drop in dose likely responsible for all my misery right now? Is this what WD is like? It's so MAJOR for such an itsy bitsy 3mgs

 

Roller-coaster right enough.......it's like getting a shot of speed/amphetamine and just frazzles your nerves and although I have had many such episodes I am no nearer being able to deal with it or write it off as natural due to withdraw....struggling to learn how to ignore!!!

 

AND.....I notice ksm-66 ashwagandha extract mentioned in these holy pages......any thoughts?

[fishinghat]

Palpitations are normal during withdrawal.

 

A 3 mg drop is considered a very large drop. Most people at the stage you are at drop around 2 beads or 0.6% at a time, or about 0.9 mg and they still have a hard time of it.

 

ksm-66 ashwagandha has helped many. You have to be careful with ksm-66 but IUN is the expert on that stuff. Ashwagandha helps many relax but has no effect on others (such as myself).

[looneytune]

careful with ksm-66................in what way Mr Hat?

[fishinghat]

My bad... I was thinking of kratom not ashwagandha. Senility!!

[looneytune]

Hat....is mood swings like depression a feature of DUL WD's too?

 

 

PS From one of the MANY sites on WD's 

 

 

The withdrawal side effects usually last for at least one to two weeks and are generally mild. The syndrome may occur in longer-duration treatment and a shorter half-life of the treatment drug.

Timeline and Symptom Durations for Cymbalta Withdrawal

Most people feel better and see their symptoms resolve within 7 days. In 65% of the patients, most of them only had mild to moderate symptoms that were manageable at most.

[fishinghat]

Depression is common but not as much as anxiety. Bouts of depression usually occur after periods of significant anxiety.

 

This appears to be from one of the medical research articles on Cymbalta withdrawal. There are three or four such research articles out there and estimates range from 20 to 80% have no withdrawal or little withdrawal. Some report that up to 45% have severe withdrawal. Take your pick. 

[looneytune]

Maybe IUN can let us know about safety with 500mg ksm-66 ashwagandha once per day  @IUN

[looneytune]

I wish God would show me some mercy

I have suffered enough

I wish someone would put their hand on my shoulder and say..."I know. I understand"

I feel like I am dying and all that exists is the past

I wish I could cry

I am so FED UP with myself

3 Horror days in a row since 3mg taper 8 days ago

I am a total nervous fuckin' wreck and when not nervous,DEPRESSED

and in between the nervous and depressed I amuse myself with health anxiety

Wife has the Mother and Father of chest and throat infections...(again) and I can barely pay her any attention

Is this the DUL WD's?

[LeVana]

oh yes i can feel it. i got the same thoughts. i´m in duloxetine withdrawal (20mg to zero) since august 2023 after been on it for 10 years. it´s the worst thing i have ever had to go through. it´s a nightmare.

this feeling of hopelessness, never ending symptoms and the daily task to survive until tomorrow. recently i read (was it here?) withdrawal feels like a process of dying, but you don´t die.

 

thinking of you. wish you all the best.

[looneytune]

^

Thank you and love to you Sister or Brother

 

Thinking of you and all the best

 

x

 

John

[looneytune]

Roller-coaster as they say? Roller coaster right enough,like the Blackpool fun park Big Dipper

 

Normal day today,best in a while, but I had some help.....

 

For me the WD anxiety builds like a thermometer over the days and something usually breaks the rise

 

In the past it was Diazepam but that lead to a habit of sorts and eventually the Diazepam had to go,but that's another story

 

After another 3mg drop I had 3 days of MEGA WD shit and I had had enough......so I popped a little half dose 15mg Mirtazapine and ....SORTED! for a while at least

(Must locate a coming off MIRT site    ) only kidding, Mirt for me is a piece of cake except my lungs don't like it. Only used it a coupla times in a year or so

 

That's all it takes for me to reset...a half tab. I can't repeat  the dose too often as I am rather fond of my lungs

 

Did not mean to unload yesterday in such a big time fashion but I was a hurtin' bad......thanks all,especially LV

 

 

PS LV......10 years!? My word, what you must be going through compared to me

 

If it's any help..this has saved me thus far

 

exercise, even when you don't wanna leave the house

Yoga breathing......research and practice. It really does calm things down. RHR under 60BPM afterwards

No Bevvy (alcohol)

Keep meds to what is absolutely necessary

The MIRT trick works for me and if your body is OK with it, it acts like knock out drops at night and has left over feeling to keep you calm the following day

Bed as a LAST resort but when in bed don't beat yourself up over it....be easy on yourself, as my wife and sisters will say

 

@LeVana

 

All the best from a snow free Argyll Scotland

[looneytune]

My 500mg ksm-66 Ashwagandha arrived today    Gonna wait till I am a wee bit more out of the woods so I can effectively asses the efficacy

[LeVana]

oh, you´re from scotland. great! if i were healthy and happy i would like to visit scotland sometime. but this dream seems far away - currently.

 

you wrote, you´re using mirtazapine and it helps to reduce withdrawal symptoms. i only took it for a few nights and my anxiety got worse. i woke up in the middle of the night and felt so bad...that´s why i decided to quit. i also give up taking benzos and neuroleptics, especially olanzapine. dirty stuff

 

what have been your worst symptoms during this three days of MEGA WD (you called it ;-))?

 

have a good time.

please forgive bad english

[looneytune]

The worst has been the way anxiety and depression alternate.........depression for a few hours and then anxiety

 

Like some kind of torture

 

Take care

 

x

[looneytune]

Start Monday on 8mg Duloxetine....yeeeee hoooo, getting there!

 

Saw Doc today and getting some help for my depression from some experts as I wanna go medication free

 

I guess We can deal with my current problems and any traumas from years back.....hopeful at the moment until next............................................... ROLLER-COASTER

 

stay well fellow sufferers.....the world should know about all this withdrawal that is swept under the carpet. How folk must have suffered and especially pre internet days when there was no help or understanding AT ALL

[looneytune]

is IUN in the building? my ass needs advice on the Ashwagandha....how to go and stuff

[fishinghat]

Knock knock IUN!!

[looneytune]

Why does the WD symptoms get harder as we near the end and doses are smaller?

 

It's the same for Benzos and others too,ya?

[fishinghat]

All withdrawals get tougher at the end. While the dose has already been reduced considerably the synapses are still adapting some. Nerves, including synapses and receptors are very slow to heal. Most neurosurgeons will tell you that it can take these structures 2 years or more to fully heal. So each time you make a drop in dose there is more and more of these structures in the process of healing. You also have to remember that at the end of the withdrawal all of the receptors and synapses still see a molecule of medicine come by every now and then and that keeps them sensitive to exposure to the med and adaptation is slow to occur. Many doctors recommend a 2 to 3 year withdrawal on most meds (opioids, benzos, antidepressants, alcohol, etc) unless that specific withdrawal has an effective treatment.

[looneytune]

Can I then get a few bad days of anxiety/depression after a good run of days even although i was no near my monthly WD schedule/time?

[fishinghat]

For sure. Your body is trying to re-learn how to control your serotonin and norepinephrine. As it gets in better control of these you get feeling better, BUT about then the feedback mechanism in the brain will overreact to the increasing or decreasing levels of these neurotransmitters and suddenly you are back to feeling bad. It takes time for these controls to adjust and become more stable. usually (barring any unusual stress) each swing in emotions becomes a little less severe. Unluckily this process it greatly effected by a large assortment of factors. Alcohol, certain foods, digestive issues, salt, caffeine, smoking, certain meds, and so much more can effect these neurotransmitters and can set off a rollercoaster event.