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[fishinghat]

Could be the issue. Acid resistant capsules (enteric) aren't too expensive, You might give it a try.

[invalidusername]

As always - can't dd anything to Hat's advice.

 

GERD is always coming up during withdrawal, so you are for sure not an isolated case in that respect, but you should find it clears up without issue.

 

And yes, the acid resistant caps are what you will need for the beads. They can be found cheap enough - or at least in the UK on eBay...

 

IUN

[looneytune]

Not a criticism, but perhaps you guys could mention the special gastro caps when recommending caps for taper...I had no idea

I thought it was the beads that had the special release coating

[fishinghat]

Therre is a special section in the ebook dealing with this. The capsules are acid resistant allowing the medicine to clear the stomach (acidic) and then the beads with their enteric coating dissolve in the small intestines (nearly neutral pH, 7.5 +/-) where it is absorbed,

 

I always try to mention it when people discuss buying capsules but I sometimes forget. T my age I sometimes have trouble remembering my name.  lol

[looneytune]

I could very nearly set my watch to it! Day 5, ALWAYS day 5, of the latest WD drop, and the anxiety starts up. Kicks in through the night with a wee warning of sweats an' shit, then a nervous feeling for a few days with some flat moods thrown in just for laffs

 

I had a bunch of good days prior to the latest set back and the capsule thing (Gastro resistant) is making me wary of taking this WD thing any lower than 5mg......so, may just weather this latest storm, and when it settles down a bit, jump ship at 5mg and take the hit

 

We'll see....

[LeVana]

i feel with you. dulox is a nightmare. i´m 5,5 months off and it´s so bad that i still can´t leave the house for longer time. miss my life.

anxiety sucks.

 

be strong :-)

[fishinghat]

I know it seems like it will last forever but it will get better. I do agree that Cymbalta sucks!!!

[invalidusername]

i feel with you. dulox is a nightmare. i´m 5,5 months off and it´s so bad that i still can´t leave the house for longer time. miss my life.

anxiety sucks.

 

be strong :-)

 

This brings back memories for sure! I really understand and feel for you. 

 

I remember the time when I would reach the end of the road and an anxiety attack would kick off. I also enjoyed staying indoors as I was living about 30 seconds walk from the hospital. So the further from home, the further from hospital. Why I would need the hospital I don't know - I guess it is just my health anxiety.

 

You will see your life return in due course my dear LeVana. 

 

As you said, you need to be strong. I know it is easy to say, but accepting things as they are in the moment and just be carried with them, is how it will help you right now. Fighting these things will never get you anywhere. Always swim with the flow of the stream, never against it...

 

IUN

[LeVana]

thanks for your lovely words. i hope, my life will return one day..but at this time i can't believe in it.

never ever i will touch cymbalta again!!

[invalidusername]

thanks for your lovely words. i hope, my life will return one day..but at this time i can't believe in it.

never ever i will touch cymbalta again!!

 

I remember being in your exact position looking outside in. 

 

I never thought I would see the light of day again, but with the right balance, supplements and motivation, it WILL improve. 

 

We try to be more than just helpers of people going through Dulox withdrawal and help as best we can with all manner of other things. Hat and I really balance each other out as Hat knows far more than me about Western medicine, and my speciality is much more on Eastern practices. Between us, and the others that also help and those who share stories on the forum, we do the best we can, so don't ever stop posting as we will always help...

 

..even if Hat forgets his own name at times. For now, just call him Susan...

 

IUN 

[LeVana]

you´re such great guys. i´m so happy to have found this forum and someone who believes in withdrawal. you don´t feel alone during suffering.

thank you so much

[invalidusername]

you´re such great guys. i´m so happy to have found this forum and someone who believes in withdrawal. you don´t feel alone during suffering.

thank you so much

 

It is a pleasure to have you here - sending much love <3

[looneytune]

Is tiredness a feature of WD at my stage of the game? I'm WHACKED!

[LeVana]

oh yes, tiredness but insomnia. me too

[invalidusername]

oh yes, tiredness but insomnia. me too

 

What have you tried for your insomnia?

 

John - fatigue is very common as Dulox is an SNRI rather than SSRI, so it controls the whole chain of norepinephrine and adrenaline, so whilst you might not be doing much , your system can still be flooded with the relevant chemicals as it tries to balance you back out to some means of homeostasis... 

[looneytune]

@LeVana....how are you doing my friend?

[looneytune]

Calling IUN...calling IUN.....U hoooo....cooooo weeeeee 

 

KSM 66....Got me some ASH baby.....how'd I use 'em?

 

@IUN

[invalidusername]

Hi John!!

 

Good stuff. And you got the KSM-66 which is as you probably know is the balanced stuff, which uses a very specific area to ensure you get even potency. A bit like the difference between buying chicken from Waitrose or from KFC where you know the stuff is chicken, but could be bits of feet, beak or bloody all sorts! LOL

 

So you want to make sure you get your dosage right - it is not such a bad thing to go over a little. Too much too quick will give you potential stomach/toilet issues, but that is unlikely if you start low and work up. My sweet spot turned out to be exactly 1gm (1000mg), but this later increased to 1.5gm due to tolerance. So if you can, you should try to have a tolerance break (known as a "tb" on forums) every 2 weeks or so. The break itself being 3-5 days. 

 

Dose-wise, It depends on what you have bought. Ideally you should always make sure you do not have a reaction to anything, so it is always suggested to take a small dose to ensure of that, which would be around 250mg, but you probably have 500mg or 1gm I am guessing? You can empty some powder out of a capsule if that is the case...

 

But if all is well, I would start with 500mg and work up in 250mg increments from there... ideally. 

 

If you have 1gm dose, you will probably be OK - at worst, you will feel a bit monged out.

 

Depends on the effect you want. When I took it, just before bed, I felt chilled - like my body was a weight pinned to the bed and slightly tipsy - in a good way. Too much and you will probably fall asleep and miss the benefits!

 

A smaller dose will reduce anxiety and stress but allow you to keep going about your day if that is what you want it for. How I took it was to help with insomnia at the time and it was great.

 

Also stick to no more than 3 doses at day.

 

...and ideally do NOT take with food. Leave it a good couple of hours after food and take the KSM which a small amount of fat as it sticks to it and absorb better - but only a smaller amount... like a square of chocolate or a small glass of milk.

 

Hope that gets you started - but feel free to ask

 

IUN

[LeVana]

he ho, my friends!

my doc described me agomelatine against insomnia but it´s still not available.

he said i should try some herbal medicines like valerian or passion flower . what a bad joke.

 

last days my agoraphobia and dystonia increased, but morning anxiety has become a little less. the worst symptom of agoraphobia is the feeling of falling into the wide of the sky. it´s so crazy and scary that i can´t look into the blue sky for longer time. i hope it will be over when the neurotransmitters are balanced again. i read that dopamine overproduction could lead to delusions and hallucination. maybe that´s the problem at the moment. i hate it cause it´s so insane.

the sixth month of withdrawal will be done soon....i´m looking forward to month seven.

 

what about your anxiety@looney?

 

cu

[looneytune]

what about your anxiety@looney?

 

On days 5 or 10 of tapers I ALWAYS get it ROUGH!!!  Very FLAT with no energy and sometimes stay in bed most of the day and I am convinced I am NEVER going to get better

and sometimes it is anxiety....I don't know which I fear the most, anxiety or flat and depressed with zero energy

 

Dear Hat/IUN...My last taper was 8mg down to 5mg.........is that seemingly small taper enough to do this ^ to me every few weeks of drop downs?

 

I sometimes read on other sites about Cymbalta tapers and stopping

and folk seem to think that 30mg dose for my length of time should not pose much of a problem

 

Am I over reacting, imagining it's worse, or can a 3mg drop do this to folk?

[invalidusername]

 

Dear Hat/IUN...My last taper was 8mg down to 5mg.........is that seemingly small taper enough to do this ^ to me every few weeks of drop downs?

 

 

8mg to 5mg is almost a 40% drop!! That is the same as going 60mg to 36mg (well, worse in practise)!! 

 

This is often the issue. It is difficult to see how quickly it becomes when you drop so close to the end. You are depleting more and more of the drug from your system. 

 

So, yes, 3mg, can easily do this to folk as you ask.

 

Hopefully you can white-knuckle it and get through, but you are at the very last stages which need to be taken very carefully.  Don't forget that it is one stage to get to not taking any more, then you have to deal with the symptoms that follow.

 

As ashamed as I am to admit, I found that out when I quit drinking. I thought that when I stopped drinking that all would be well. Hell no!

 

Shakes, sweating, anxiety, depression, hearing stuff, seeing stuff (DT's). Stopping was the easy part!!! It is what followed that was the worst. That is why we say to go slow towards the end so it doesn't suddenly hit you like a Dr Marten's boot in the crown jewels (maybe one just for us in the UK!!!) - I speak from experience!! LOL

 

Do yourself a favour and go slow toward the final day of stopping - it will help you overall

 

IUN 

[fishinghat]

Totally agree with IUN. 

 

"...folk seem to think that 30mg dose for my length of time should not pose much of a problem"

 

​Sometimes it is easy and most times it is a disaster. One never knows.

 

Remember, slow but steady (with an emphasis on slow) wins the race.  Your best prescription is patience. 

[looneytune]

You know something......I have reached a crossroads I think

 

I am sick to the back teeth with all this twice a month suffering ( the two tapers per month)

 

The wife gave me it in the neck and I am thinking of her words. "Why don't you just stop the bloody things now?"

 

There is something to think about I guess. I planned to go down to 2.5mg next week, a whopping 50% reduction I can hear IUN say...............

......and the 2.5mg to zero would be a 100% reduction!!! yikes, but TBH I am getting so pissed with myself.. ANGRY.. that I might just say to hell with IT!

 

I really could do with some positives at this time.....go for it, sort of a thing

 

onfused and nervous ........yet handsome and windswept

 

xx

 

PS Edited for language and hasty thoughts by OP

[looneytune]

here.....

 

[fishinghat]

"Damn, this shit MUST cause some trouble in families"

 

A lot of troubles. It pots such a terrible burden on relationships for a long period of time.

 

OK, so dropping from 2.5 mg to zero?!  Well the Cymbalta I took at the time had 300 beads for 90 mg. At that level the 2.5 mg drop would equal dropping the last 10 beads. In your current situation the best recipe for success would normally be sit on your current dose until you get feeling better (2 or 3 months) and then reduce the last 10 beads one bead at a time over about a 3 to 6 month period. This would make the withdrawal more tolerable BUT.... you and your wife may not be able to deal with that length of time. 

 

I can tell you that those who decide at this point to just drop the last 2.5 mg go through hell and after suffering excessive withdrawal for 4, 5, 6 months just give up and go on a ssri to get back in control. Most but not all.  I can also tell you that only you can decide how much more you guys can handle and when it is time to just stop or even go back on a ssri. I can also assure you that no matter what you decide we will be here for you. You have our deepest best wishes and our full support.

Damn, this shit MUST cause some trouble in families

[looneytune]

Guys

 

Now that I am down to 2.5mg per day.......could I be having Gastro/Gerd AND sinus issues on the way out?

 

Hope you are all well

 

xx

[LeVana]

hi looney,
me too. since quitting dulox i got GIT-problems, but anxiety is worse

[looneytune]

Hope you get some good days soon LV

 

xx

[fishinghat]

Serotonin is the most common neurotransmitter in the digestive tract. Your stomach issues will not settle down until your serotonin lev els normalize. usually 6 to 12 months after your last dose. Many members suffer from nausea, bloating, diarrhea or constipation for a year or more during withdrawal and then 6 months or so after their last dose.

[looneytune]

Yikes....you guys give out any good news?

 

 

Thanks man