I did not see any concern with the dose on the R-Alpha Lipoic Acid - 600mg.
I did find the following info on taking it with alcohol consumptions.
Posted 15 April 2023 - 11:51 AM
I did not see any concern with the dose on the R-Alpha Lipoic Acid - 600mg.
I did find the following info on taking it with alcohol consumptions.
Posted 15 April 2023 - 12:06 PM
Thanks Fishinghat,
My last capsule was Thursday night and I think I'm doing OK. The only thing I'm really experiencing so far is a bit more pain in my feet and hands. That could be the duloxetine, but I've also stopped taking all my supplements (apart from R-Alpha Lipoid Acid and L-Thiamine) for now until we can work out what is good/bad to take.
It would be awesome if we can work out a way to help other folks who are on duloxetine for peripheral neuropathy to lessen withdrawal, and potentially avoid having to use similar meds in the future.
Thanks for your help.
JC619.
Posted 15 April 2023 - 01:15 PM
Hi again Fishinghat,
I think we must have posted the last reply at the same time so crossed-over.
The neuropathy isn't alcohol related. I only drink alcohol very occasionally (and have stopped totally since all this began).
I do have a thyroid disorder though, I have an underachieve thyroid. When I first developed tingling I thought this might be a likely cause. Doctors take very little interest in this. My levels were out when I took a private test, so I've upped my medicine (Levothyroxine) to counter that. It'll take a while (maybe 6 months) to see if this has been a cause of my problems however, and my doctors insist it is much more likely to be diabetes related.
I talked to people on a thyroid forum about Alpha Lipoid Acid's interaction with the thyroid and thyroid medicine as I found there may be a problem there, and the consensus was that it's OK as long as the two medicines are spaced out away from each other. Many believe for underactive thyroid r-ALA is good for you.
JC619.
Posted 15 April 2023 - 03:19 PM
Well done Hat... I would help this weekend, but I have got a backlog of stuff to get done for the University. Great that we can share the load - appreciate it.
JC - hang in there my friend. The body will always sort itself out in the end. No-one had this nonsense back in the BC days.... dammit, we can't even say this now for being slandered!! LOL
Posted 15 April 2023 - 04:51 PM
Well there is certainly a very small amount of information relating to alpha-lipoic acid and its effects on the thyroid except for burning mouth disease. What I did find was not alarming and is given below. I see no issues with the dosage of 600mg. If you have any questions about these publications let me know.
Posted 16 April 2023 - 04:21 AM
Thanks Fishinghat,
Great to know. As I mentioned, R-Alpha Lipoid Acid and L-Theanine are the only 2 I'm taking now.
I'm keen to see what else I'm able to take, or what else I should take. 2 reasons, first to control/minimise the pain as I come off duloxetine. And secondly because I'm early in my peripheral neuropathy journey I'm hopeful that I'm able to find something to control pain, or even better halt progression going forward. Ideally that would mean I don't have to reach for anxiety meds to control pain in the future, or at least not yet. My story is that I have kids, and the prospect of not being able to do things I've always done things isn't an easy one.
There seems to be a list of medicines that are separately recognised as being 'may help nerve pain/regeneration'. Any help about which I could/should be taking will be invaluable.
And a weaning update. Since I stopped taking my last duloxetine on Thursday, it's looking Ok so far. Still early days though. Pain hasn't been unbearable. And for the first time in 3 weeks I've managed to sleep properly - I was only getting about 2-3 hours a night before so it looks like the tablets were really stopping me sleeping. I've now had 3 nights where I've slept through the night and even had a lie in!
Thanks again!
JC619.
Posted 16 April 2023 - 04:50 PM
Posted 17 April 2023 - 02:05 PM
Posted 17 April 2023 - 02:27 PM
JC, I don't know if you ever saw this information in the ebook or not.
Posted 17 April 2023 - 03:59 PM
Thanks Fishinghat, amazing again.
Sooooo, it looks like B12 is a no-no. I had been taking B12 for a while as it's often recommended for diabetics. However, recent blood tests results show what looks like quite a high level of B12. I hadn't realised that too much B12 can actually cause tingling - how very interesting, another possible cause, so goodbye B12!
And it looks like duloxetine doesn't play nicely with hypothyroidism. So another good reason to stop using it/another good reason to not put me on it in the first place.
4 days duloxetine-free now, and so-far-so-good. Not in noticeably more pain. Not experienced much in terms of side-effects, so haven't had the need for 10-bead emergency capsules. Tinnitus still there, but I have noticed that occasionally it gets quite for a while, so finger crossed on that one. Tomorrow is day 5 - big day!
JC619
Posted 17 April 2023 - 05:05 PM
"And it looks like duloxetine doesn't play nicely with hypothyroidism. So another good reason to stop using it/another good reason to not put me on it in the first place."
You are exactly right. Never should have been placed on it in the first place.
If I may ask, what was your original TSH, t3 and t4 when they thought you had developed hypothyroidism? How long did they wait before they retested you?
By the way, when you come off Cymbalta it will take 3 to 4 months for the thyroid to stabilize from any effect that the Cymbalta had on the thyroid.
Posted 18 April 2023 - 04:12 AM
Hi Fishinghat,
I had some private thyroid tests done when all this started:
Posted 18 April 2023 - 07:45 AM
Wow, very illuminating.
I have quite a background in thyroid function. Here are some of the things I learned in college as well as in my experiences with myself, other family members, and others as well as from doctors.
1) A simple meal of certain foods can cause t3, t4 and/or TSH to go out of normal range.
2) Thyroid values once out of range can take 4 weeks or more to stabilize.
3) Thyroid medicine should never be given to a person unless they demonstrate out of range values for at least 4 weeks and most drs say 6 weeks.
4) Once on thyroid medication it is very difficult to come off of it. It should NEVER be started until an iodine profile is completed (24 hour urine iodine sample).
5) Contrast cat scans use enough iodine tracer to cause out of range thyroid values for up to 6 months or more.
6) Iodine deficiency/toxicity is a rapidly increasing phenomenon. This is due to decreasing amounts of seafood/kelp ingestion worldwide as well as an increase in contrast cat scan imaging.
My TSH, t3 and t4 have a long history of fluctuating and many GPs wanted to immediately put me on thyroid medication. My endocrinologists would strongly urge me to retest after 4 to 6 weeks and it would always be normal again. I did a series of cat scans back in the 2012/2013 time frame and my endocrinologist did a 24 urine iodine test and it was hugely elevated. It eventually came down (9 months). Later my TSH started going higher and higher and t3 and t4 went lower and lower (all out of range). Another 24 urine iodine test showed I was iodine deficient. I started on an iodine supplement and have had excellent values ever since. During this whole time I was subclinical (no symptoms). What symptoms were you exhibiting during this time?
You should also be aware that as you age TSH normally drifts upward and slightly out of range while t3 and t4 will drift slightly downward.
In a minute I will post some of my information on my case for you to look over. It includes medical research on the issue as well.
In this matter I would tend to agree with the doctors. A single thyroid function test should never be used to make these types of long-term decisions.
Look over my info and we can discuss this more.
Posted 18 April 2023 - 08:25 AM
Posted 18 April 2023 - 08:35 AM
Hi Fishinghat,
No, I've never had that type of test. Your doctor seems much more engaged than mine! I even had to go private for my thyroid tests! Had he even bothered to tell me the results from last October, that would have been nice.
In all honesty, I'm confident that I am hypo-thyroid. I've had consistent results that back it up, and I don't eat lots of seafood, etc or had exposure to iodine. And the symptoms all make sense to me! I think if the doctors folowed up blood tests then I woudn't feel so left in the dark. But the forum I'm a member of is full of people who know so much more than my doctor.
Of the other supplements, do you have any feelings on L-Citrulline and Acetyle-L-carnitine?
Posted 18 April 2023 - 11:14 AM
"I don't eat lots of seafood, etc or had exposure to iodine."
This comment makes me concerned about iodine deficiency which is a common cause of hypothyroidism. I would suggest taking a simple 24 hour urine iodine just eliminate this as the source.
By the way, if my drs won't work with me on an issue I fire them and get a new dr. Been done many times. In the UK I know this is almost impossible due to the nationalized medical program.
I will add L-Citrulline and Acetyle-L-carnitine to my list to investigate.
Posted 18 April 2023 - 11:59 AM
Hi Fishinghat,
Looking at the list of foods that contain iodine, I do actually eat quite a bit of some of them. Dairy product and eggs certainly. And i am impartial to a Tuna sandwich (which for some reason I don't consider sea-food - go figure!). And I'm British, so I'm not a stranger to Cod and Chips.
Totally take your point about doctors as well. Our health service has always been excellent, second to none. But over the past 13 years the current govt has under-funded it and it's looking quite broken post-Covid. It's a crying shame. That's why I'm goin to find a thyroid specialist myself.
Posted 19 April 2023 - 02:37 AM
Hi guys,
A quick update. It's now been 5 days since I last took a capsule at all. All seems to be going OK at the moment, no major withdrawal symptoms so far (a few minor ones though). Fingers crossed.
Am I right that I might get something over the next 5 days, but if I'm OK then I'm all good?
Thanks,
JC619.
Posted 19 April 2023 - 03:28 PM
Posted 20 April 2023 - 07:49 AM
Evening Primrose Oil is a mixed bag. The interference with blood clotting is probably not an issue nut you certainly would want toi stop it before any surgeries. It would increase the risk of serious blood loss during any severe trauma also. Perhaps the biggest concern would be the interference with the proper clearance of meds from the body by the liver. I don't know how many meds you take that are handled by the CYP 3A4 enzyme but if you decide to try this oil we can take a quick look at your meds you are taking and go from there.
Posted 20 April 2023 - 10:32 AM
Hi Fishinghat,
I just take NovoRapid and Tresiba insulin as I'm T1 diabetic, Levothyroxine for thyroid, and well as the supplements I'm trying to work out for neuropathy.
I was originally on Atorvastatin, but it comes with another strange doctor story. I had my standard diabetic blood tests, and the doctor rang me to say I had 'slightly' high cholestorol. He then asked me to decide if I wanted to go on statins. Not being a doctor I told him that I would if he thought I should do, and so he put me onto them. As the conversation was coming to an end he muttered something about "actually it's only slightly high, and your ratios are actually OK". But still put me on them anyway.
Since all this started, I've read that people taking statins you are somthing like 14 times more likely to develop neuropathy. I've read stories on forums where stopping statin use has coincided with tingling, etc getting better. So as my ratios were OK, I've decided to stop taking them entirely for now and eat healthier to give me a chance to try and see some improvements. If my cholesterol levels go bad then I'll go back on them later on, but I'm not convinced they will (or ever were).
JC619.
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